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    EXACTLY why they should both ride the pine outside of nuclear garbage time. We need 3 & D from the backup 3 position, NOT ball stoppers that are below average at making plays and getting to the basket. From the bench, we have Manu for that. I guess Anderson should get the backup 2 ("point swingman") role whenever Manu isn't playing due to rest or (god forbid) injury.
    You don't know what you are talking about. None of these two guys are ball stoppers. You could have criticized many other parts of their game, but ball-stoppers they are not. Kyle in fact is one of the best young passers we have (if not the best TBH). By Pop himself: "he makes everybody better, and is really a smart player." Simmons has disappointed some fans who expected him to be Manu-lite. He's not, he has been out of control attacking the basket and has troubles with his ballhandling (I personally knew this was going to be a problem because I watched him in the d'league, but some ppl didn't think the problem would be this pronounced.) Regardless, he's hardly a ball stopper. If there are two things he can do at an NBA level are defend, and find open shooters. Kyle can make the corner 3, and projects to be a part of the Spurs future, and will play this season several positions (by Pop himself.) Simmons has been reluctant to shoot and could possibly have confidence issues but he's an NBA rook. He needs to settle down.

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    I don't think Butler's 3 point shooting is anything better than KA.
    Some ppl are just going to keep on hating Kyle Anderson bc they just don't like his style. Guy comes up with 5 assists in 14-15 mins and a +10 in a game, and some guys will just be hating. I guess it's part of some Kyle Anderson hating "krew".

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    Some ppl are just going to keep on hating Kyle Anderson bc they just don't like his style. Guy comes up with 5 assists in 14-15 mins and a +10 in a game, and some guys will just be hating. I guess it's part of some Kyle Anderson hating "krew".
    5 assists is a very big deal. I didn't see the last game, but there was a highlight play by Manu assisted by KA. It was a tough pass to make but Anderson knew what to do.

    Simmons is also a good passer ( confirmed by quotes from Pop ), he'll just will need to gain familiarity with the NBA game.

    What is absolutely disappointing for me is McCallum. I'm impressed with his quick release, but he just doesn't have the basketball IQ to know how to pass the ball. It is even more disappointing knowing that his dad is a coach and he played for his dad in college. My su ion here is that he doesn't have the length to get the right angle to pass the ball.

    Speaking though of the original OP. If KA shoots as well as Butler at the 3, then why would the Spurs need Butler?

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    Speaking though of the original OP. If KA shoots as well as Butler at the 3, then why would the Spurs need Butler?
    If Kawhi misses his usual 1/5 of the season, there will be plenty of need for Butler -- and who knows how well Anderson is going to play all season?

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    You don't know what you are talking about. None of these two guys are ball stoppers. You could have criticized many other parts of their game, but ball-stoppers they are not. Kyle in fact is one of the best young passers we have (if not the best TBH). By Pop himself: "he makes everybody better, and is really a smart player." Simmons has disappointed some fans who expected him to be Manu-lite. He's not, he has been out of control attacking the basket and has troubles with his ballhandling (I personally knew this was going to be a problem because I watched him in the d'league, but some ppl didn't think the problem would be this pronounced.) Regardless, he's hardly a ball stopper. If there are two things he can do at an NBA level are defend, and find open shooters. Kyle can make the corner 3, and projects to be a part of the Spurs future, and will play this season several positions (by Pop himself.) Simmons has been reluctant to shoot and could possibly have confidence issues but he's an NBA rook. He needs to settle down.
    We need a backup small forward, not a 6'6" Andre Miller playing point forward/post guard with Patty Mills and Manu also on the floor.

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    We need a backup small forward, not a 6'6" Andre Miller playing point forward/post guard with Patty Mills and Manu also on the floor.
    Did you make Simmons taller or Anderson shorter?

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    Did you make Simmons taller or Anderson shorter?
    however tall Anderson is. He's got the same type of game as Miller and that's really the last thing we need.

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    however tall Anderson is. He's got the same type of game as Miller and that's really the last thing we need.
    He doesn't really -- and you really can't talk about a player if you whiff on his height that badly.

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    He doesn't really -- and you really can't talk about a player if you whiff on his height that badly.
    One rare case where I agree with you Chump.

    6'6" Anderson???? Is he talking about James Anderson?

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    however tall Anderson is. He's got the same type of game as Miller and that's really the last thing we need.
    Andre Miller game was bullying guards in the post & pounding the air out of the ball. Kyle is a better shooters/defender & can't bully forwards in the post.

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    Andre Miller game was bullying guards in the post & pounding the air out of the ball. Kyle is a better shooters/defender & can't bully forwards in the post.
    Kyle is a better defender than Miller? I seem to recall Miller shutting TP down when TP first entered the league... Miller was always regarded as a top 5 PG defender. My point was that Kyle tries to post up guards pretty frequently when they match up against him and they're both slow and methodical and pretty good passers, but won't wow you with athleticism and aren't good shooters.

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    Did you make Simmons taller or Anderson shorter?
    Guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

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    Kyle is a better defender than Miller? I seem to recall Miller shutting TP down when TP first entered the league... Miller was always regarded as a top 5 PG defender. My point was that Kyle tries to post up guards pretty frequently when they match up against him and they're both slow and methodical and pretty good passers, but won't wow you with athleticism and aren't good shooters.
    Without knowing Anderson's true size, it's hard to get a grasp on his strengths and weaknesses. His height/length combo is unrivaled by SFs outside of Durant, George and maybe Leonard (Kawhi has him on length but not height). , there are probably CENTERS that don't have his standing reach. I read somewhere that the average height of an NBA SF is 6-6, and I would assume bench threes are even shorter. Anderson will have a mismatch almost every night. The Spurs' bench definitely needed a guy who can get his shots any time he wants.

    The question that I think is in line with your concern is about how he can fit into a lineup where he doesn't have the ball to exploit his one-on-one advantages. I am and definitely was very uncertain about this. He didn't seem to fit well with Manu at all. However, last game was very encouraging to his over all fit. He passed and passed WELL. He was great at creating ideal entry angles. That he can high-low like a big but also make skip passes and pocket passes like a guard is crazy-impressive and will definitely fit in with the bench. I just need to see him both pass and score well in the same game with the second unit before my concerns go away.

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    He is dirt slow so he just won't be effective on certain nights and situations. He can do some good things, but I don't know how consistent he will be.

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    Without knowing Anderson's true size, it's hard to get a grasp on his strengths and weaknesses. His height/length combo is unrivaled by SFs outside of Durant, George and maybe Leonard (Kawhi has him on length but not height). , there are probably CENTERS that don't have his standing reach. I read somewhere that the average height of an NBA SF is 6-6, and I would assume bench threes are even shorter. Anderson will have a mismatch almost every night. The Spurs' bench definitely needed a guy who can get his shots any time he wants.

    The question that I think is in line with your concern is about how he can fit into a lineup where he doesn't have the ball to exploit his one-on-one advantages. I am and definitely was very uncertain about this. He didn't seem to fit well with Manu at all. However, last game was very encouraging to his over all fit. He passed and passed WELL. He was great at creating ideal entry angles. That he can high-low like a big but also make skip passes and pocket passes like a guard is crazy-impressive and will definitely fit in with the bench. I just need to see him both pass and score well in the same game with the second unit before my concerns go away.
    I think he and Manu should share Manu's old role (from his prime years) tbh, with Manu still receiving the majority of those minutes (20-25+) in non-blowout games


    Butler should be 2nd SF
    Manu/Anderson split backup SG
    Mills backup PG
    West/Diaw split backup PF
    Marjanovic backup C -- 10 minutes or so -- Aldridge will have to play center sometimes to mitigate this at first until Boban becomes more comfortable. We can't afford to have both West and Diaw in at the same time as they're both redundant and they're both too undersized to be a center.

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    I think he and Manu should share Manu's old role (from his prime years) tbh, with Manu still receiving the majority of those minutes (20-25+) in non-blowout games


    Butler should be 2nd SF
    Manu/Anderson split backup SG
    Mills backup PG
    West/Diaw split backup PF
    Marjanovic backup C -- 10 minutes or so -- Aldridge will have to play center sometimes to mitigate this at first until Boban becomes more comfortable. We can't afford to have both West and Diaw in at the same time as they're both redundant and they're both too undersized to be a center.
    Diaw/West are going to play together along w/ having their minutes staggered to play w/ either Tim or LMA, Boban is going to get rotation minutes against Dwight/DeAndre/Cousins/Gasol & those guys otherwise it's most likely going to be mop up duties for him unless Diaw/West is a disaster.

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    Diaw/West are going to play together along w/ having their minutes staggered to play w/ either Tim or LMA, Boban is going to get rotation minutes against Dwight/DeAndre/Cousins/Gasol & those guys otherwise it's most likely going to be mop up duties for him unless Diaw/West is a disaster.
    Diaw/West is a disaster against anyone big, or really with anyone on the other side who can get to the basket. Who's going to block their shots?

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    Diaw/West is a disaster against anyone big, or really with anyone on the other side who can get to the basket. Who's going to block their shots?
    Last I checked Draymond Green isn't a better shot blocker than West.

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    Last I checked Draymond Green isn't a better shot blocker than West.
    last I checked Green was a PF... and Bogut/Ezeli were the centers for GSW.

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    last I checked Green was a PF... and Bogut/Ezeli were the centers for GSW.
    Boxscore Bobby

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    Diaw/West are going to play together along w/ having their minutes staggered to play w/ either Tim or LMA, Boban is going to get rotation minutes against Dwight/DeAndre/Cousins/Gasol & those guys otherwise it's most likely going to be mop up duties for him unless Diaw/West is a disaster.
    Early on, at least, I'd expect Diaw and West to play together. Eventually, I'd expect L.A to play with Duncan or West beside him while Duncan plays with L.A. or Diaw

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    last I checked Green was a PF... and Bogut/Ezeli were the centers for GSW.
    Their best defensive units had Green at Center. They usually had Iggy, Thompson and Barnes on the floor as well. If Livingston is playing PG that's five players that are at least 6'7.

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    Early on, at least, I'd expect Diaw and West to play together. Eventually, I'd expect L.A to play with Duncan or West beside him while Duncan plays with L.A. or Diaw
    Better to have Tim/D-West & LMA/Diaw since that would mean there will be one stretch 4 on the floor along w/ one player that knows the system inside-and-out.

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    Better to have Tim/D-West & LMA/Diaw since that would mean there will be one stretch 4 on the floor along w/ one player that knows the system inside-and-out.
    In my mind I go back and forth on these combos. Is it better to split up the players with system knowledge and experience, or is it better to keep Tim and Boris together to preserve their chemistry and put LMA with West together and let them develop their own chemistry?

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