Patty Mills record and stats as a starter.

[MultiTroll]

I really wonder if Pop knows this. 3 games from 2012 is definitely enough information for any normal pedestrian to understand that patty would fill the play-making void that seems to be missing in the starting 5. Hopefully he reads this post on ST and makes the logical decision.

Obviously not since he let Porker sink the ship in the playoffs last year.
It's actually 7 games starting since 2012.
Plus a ton of games where Pattycake did 17+ minutes and rocked.

You need to get back in the kitchen at the PollyAnna Poppers Party.

[pgardn]

Give it more of a sample size then, its obviously worth the shot.
Patty could work great with these guys tbh

Like Pop has never watched Patty in practice...

Patty is not a point. Repeat till exhausted.

I would like all Spurs fans to make a list of good pg attributes and then watch Patty. Movement w/ the ball: He has a very difficult time starting and stopping, there is no jitterbug to him. Patty is straight line fast, he makes his best moves while at full throttle. Vision: Patty does not see the floor well in the congestion of a set offense. If you think Parker is bad at this you have not watched Patty. When the Spurs have to set up, and are not on a break or open court situation, Patty does not see the floor well. It's very obvious. And now just keep going with what points must be able to do.

Why do people want to hamstring Patty at his best because of Parker's decline? Patty is an incredibly valuable energy 2. That's why he works very well with Manu and to a lesser extent Tony. As it stands right now we still have two limited PG, Manu and Tony.They both must have fresh legs to be at their best. Patty paired with Green is a flat out no go unless you have another guard on the floor. So until someone else on the bench can run the point, banish the thought long term.

[hater]

LMAO start this scrub??

we would get obliterated. Sure Parker has lost a step but he is miles ahead Scrubby Mills.

[hater]

3 games is hardly a sufficient sample size. , it's hardly a sample. Patty has been struggling to run the offense against backup PGs this year.

pretty much

this thread

[hater]

I really wonder if Pop knows this. 3 games from 2012 is definitely enough information for any normal pedestrian to understand that patty would fill the play-making void that seems to be missing in the starting 5. Hopefully he reads this post on ST and makes the logical decision.

using "play making" and "patty" in the same sentence

Mills is great but he is not a play maker at all

[FromWayDowntown]

That Golden State win in 2012 is all anyone really needs to look at -- I mean look at those numbers! and the result! For crissakes, Patty was SO good that night that he dragged a team that gave James Anderson 40 minutes and Derrick Byars 33 minutes past the Warriors. At Oracle!

Patty's started 7 games in his career; his teams are 5-2 in those games (his teams are 195-83 in games that he comes off the bench). When he starts, his FG% dips from 44.3% to 41.7%, his 3 point percentage drops from nearly 40% to 36%. He averages 18.6 ppg and 5.0 apg, but he's significantly less efficient. If you try to play him with other high usage players -- Aldridge and Leonard, at this point -- he won't have 120 shots to score 130 points (which are his actual numbers in his 7 career starts - 17 FGA/gm compared to a shade under 6 FGA/gm in reserve appearances).

It's like so many other things in the NBA; context matters. As a starting PG getting starting PG minutes against the starting PG in the league at the moment, I'm not sure that even Patty's effort would be enough to make a difference in overcoming his clear limitations (which teams would make game plans to expose). Patty's a wonderful change-of-pace guy and when he plays with others who can make plays for him or with groups that can just play a motion offense, he's a terrific complimentary offensive weapon. Playing him in the second group with Ginobili and Diaw is the best way to maximize who he is and what he can do.

Pop knows all of this; he's too smart to change decisions that seem intuitive (Patty can't start) based on his extensive experience with the league and these players based on ridiculously small samples (Patty put up big numbers in a few games when he started) developed in extreme cir stances (look at who played in that first GST game; that don't vary much from what happens anyway -- the team wins a lot with Patty as a starter, but it also wins a lot with Parker as a starter or with Joseph as a starter.

[MultiTroll]

That Golden State win in 2012 is all anyone really needs to look at --

Spurs 104 Warriors 102 Dec 19^{th 2014}
34 min
20 pts 8 - 17
5 assists
3 steals.
Meanwhile got Curry 12-28 after chasing Patty around rather then being on snooze control.

It's also possible an entirely different player then Porker (obviously) and Patty (your points are taken) could start.
Do it RC.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's also possible an entirely different player then Porker (obviously) and Patty (your points are taken) could start.

Who would that other player be? Surely if you have this idea, you have a name at the ready as a suggestion.

Nobody proposes a plan without an actual plan, right?

[hater]

OP already moving goal posts

"entirely different player"

[Cry Havoc]

That Golden State win in 2012 is all anyone really needs to look at -- I mean look at those numbers! and the result! For crissakes, Patty was SO good that night that he dragged a team that gave James Anderson 40 minutes and Derrick Byars 33 minutes past the Warriors. At Oracle!

I was actually at that game. Haha. 4 of our starters were sitting and our bench still one. Marvelous performance from Ferrari. Miss him now that he's gone.

[Cry Havoc]

Spurs 104 Warriors 102 Dec 19^{th 2014}
34 min
20 pts 8 - 17
5 assists
3 steals.
Meanwhile got Curry 12-28 after chasing Patty around rather then being on snooze control.

It's also possible an entirely different player then Porker (obviously) and Patty (your points are taken) could start.
Do it RC.

Ah, the famous "no PG" lineup. Yeah, that would work well.

[pgardn]

Who would that other player be? Surely if you have this idea, you have a name at the ready as a suggestion.

Nobody proposes a plan without an actual plan, right?

I wish we all could actually name someone with confidence.

[MultiTroll]

Ah, the famous "no PG" lineup. Yeah, that would work well.

How'd it go with vs the Miami Heat in the Spurs Championship Finals?

[MultiTroll]

Who would that other player be? Surely if you have this idea, you have a name at the ready as a suggestion.

Nobody proposes a plan without an actual plan, right?

Fine, then i get the GM powers last year to make my choice.
I don't get pigeon holed into the current mess with Porker and his 14 million a year.

[FromWayDowntown]

I was actually at that game. Haha. 4 of our starters were sitting and our bench still one. Marvelous performance from Ferrari. Miss him now that he's gone.

Famously, that was the game that GST had to lose to keep its draft pick.

That pick, which ended up being Harrison Barnes, was going to Utah if GST won that night.

[FromWayDowntown]

Fine, then i get the GM powers last year to make my choice.
I don't get pigeon holed into the current mess with Porker and his 14 million a year.

Okay. Name a PG in the NBA that: (a) the Spurs could have reasonably acquired -- i.e., not Lillard, not Paul, not Irving, etc . . .; and (b) who would be an upgrade.

(I'm thinking this will approach Whitney > Parker proportions).

[MultiTroll]

Okay. Name a PG in the NBA that: (a) the Spurs could have reasonably acquired -- i.e., not Lillard, not Paul, not Irving, etc . . .; and (b) who would be an upgrade.

(I'm thinking this will approach Whitney > Parker proportions).

Great. I'm not on any immediate time limit since it's the summer of 2014.
Plus, I have the option of letting Porker play the final year of his contract in 14-15.
Pro athletes and contract years performances.
Gee we'll see if he comes in as fat and unmotivated as he did after being handed the 45 million extension.

[ChumpDumper]

Great. I'm not on any immediate time limit since it's the summer of 2014.
Plus, I have the option of letting Porker play the final year of his contract in 14-15.
Pro athletes and contract years performances.
Gee we'll see if he comes in as fat and unmotivated as he did after being handed the 45 million extension.

So, not one name?

lol flabby

[ducks]

when patty started those games did Duncan?
did leonard start then to?

[spursgu]

I was actually at that game. Haha. 4 of our starters were sitting and our bench still one. Marvelous performance from Ferrari. Miss him now that he's gone.

That was in 2013 with Splitter's game winning putback. 2012 was the last game of the season when the Big 3 sat out and Patty went off. Spurs were on their winning streak then and got another 50 win season thanks to Patty.

[MultiTroll]

when patty started those games did Duncan?
did leonard start then to?

I had it last night.

I think Duncs started in all 5 of the wins yes.
The two losses Duncan most def did not. DNP period. Nor did GNob Green. Even Porker was not avail for backup.

[FromWayDowntown]

I had it last night.

I think Duncs started in all 5 of the wins yes.
The two losses Duncan most def did not. DNP period. Nor did GNob Green. Even Porker was not avail for backup.

Not terribly accurate.

Here are the Spurs' starters in Patty's starts (with notes about Manu's minutes):

4/10/14 at DAL (W) -- Duncan, Leonard, Mills, Splitter, Green (Ginobili 28 minutes)
12/19/13 at GST (W) -- Leonard, Mills, Diaw, Green, Baynes
11/29/12 at MIA (L) -- Diaw, DeColo, Bonner, Splitter, Mills
11/10/12 at PRT (W) -- Green, Duncan, Mills, Leonard, Diaw (Ginobili 28 minutes)
4/26/12 at GST (W) -- Mills, Anderson, Blair, Diaw, Green
4/25/12 at PNX (W) -- Mills, Blair, Diaw, Leonard, Green
4/9/12 at UTH (L) -- Green, Jackson, Mills, Blair, Diaw

Still waiting to hear about this other guy who should be starting.

[MultiTroll]

12/19/13 at GST (W) -- Leonard, Mills, Diaw, Green, Baynes


4/26/12 at GST (W) -- Mills, Anderson, Blair, Diaw, Green
4/25/12 at PNX (W) -- Mills, Blair, Diaw, Leonard, Green

Still waiting to hear about this other guy who should be starting.

Kinda makes Pattys Ws as a starter even more impressive. Thanks.

It's summer of 2014. You're trying to put me on a 5 minute time limit too?
Don't tell me Bump Humper is your alt?

I've got plenty of time to set up the 2014-15 Championship roster. Porker i can keep and motivate in a contract year. Or i can keep him up to the trade deadline and dump his expiring salary. All kinds of interest.

And i will still work separately with this years pigeon hole scenario.

[FromWayDowntown]

And i will still work separately with this years pigeon hole scenario.

I don't know what any of this really means, but I'll take it that you started with a conclusion and you intend to work backward to justify it rather than having come to the conclusion based upon an existing justification.

That is, you don't really know what the answer is, you're just sure that there's someone who would be better than what the Spurs have, right? Why bother with specifics?

Whitney > Parker.

[MultiTroll]

^^^
Judge: "Sit down Mr. WayDownTown. Your wild speculation is dismissed. Mr. Fabbs had pe ioned the court long ago for his Friday afternoon-eve card game. Court is in recess."