Lakers: Kobe is deranged. "I need help to get easier looks."

[lefty]

Kobe Messi

[Cry Havoc]

Dont' forget Carmelo, and Aldridge most recently.

As well as Bynum. I mean, dude turned out to be a bust, but he was loaded with talent. If he was on the Spurs, could Duncan have saved that dude's career? Obviously that's not all Kobe's responsibility, but it definitely makes you wonder how differently his career could have been if he weren't on a team with such a cancer.

[Killakobe81]

But this is what people have been saying all along. Kobe has NEVER not complained about his looks, his touches, or his teammates. Dude has never been a decent teammate and doesn't hesitate to throw everyone under the bus. How the do you run Shaq, AND Pau, AND DHo out of town? Pau even dissuaded Marc from going to LA... now why do you think that is?

People are laughing and talking so much because this is the fruit of Kobe's labor. He has alienated every good big he ever played with, and he's still playing the blame game. That's why it's so funny.

I dont care about all that ...it's his play that bugs me. LeBron says stupid about team-mates even though he is considered a good one ...who cares? This is a results business and right now Kobe's results suck, Lebron's are strong.

Example: Phillip Rivers has ALWAYS been an asshole. But when the chargers are winning playoff games no one cares. Now that they suck, Gates wants to fight him for the same disrespect he has always shown team-mates and opponents. Winning overrides everything. Cam has always danced and pranced but now that Panthers are good it's all about his joy of the game and he is "balling out" and Dapping. Winning.No one cares except bitter old ladies.

[td4mvp2k]

Spurs fans are almost as giddy as if they won a championship.

this is my chip tbh

[Cry Havoc]

I dont care about all that ...it's his play that bugs me. LeBron says stupid about team-mates even though he is considered a good one ...who cares? This is a results business and right now Kobe's results suck, Lebron's are strong.

ing really?

Of course LeBron is considered a good teammate. He'll never go 1-14 in a game while completely ignoring his teammates. He'll never spend the majority of his career seeking to have the most points at the end of the season. LeBron will pass to an open teammate when he's guarded by 4 defenders, not chuck a 37 foot jumper with 12 left on the clock. Kobe is currently posting the WORST TS% of any player averaging 15FGA in history. Dude is a mental case, and always has been.

Of course his results are going to suffer, because Kobe has no larger concept of how to play the game other than "GET MINE". When he doesn't have an all-world big on his team, his teams are . Period. Kobe doesn't ing care about helping the Lakers, he doesn't care about the young players that are trying to learn the game right now, he cares about the career point total next to his name. You're trying to untie his mentality from his real world performance, and that's ing ridiculous.

[Killakobe81]

ing really?

Of course LeBron is considered a good teammate. He'll never go 1-14 in a game while completely ignoring his teammates for the majority of his career. Kobe is currently posting the WORST TS% of any player averaging 15FGA in history. Dude is a mental case, and always has been.

Of course his results are going to suffer, because Kobe has no larger concept of how to play the game other than "GET MINE". When he doesn't have an all-world big on his team, his teams are . Period. Kobe doesn't ing care about helping the Lakers, he doesn't care about the young players that are trying to learn the game right now, he cares about the career point total next to his name. You're trying to untie his mentality from his real world performance, and that's ing ridiculous.

What? What I meant was you were going back and talking about how Shaq left etc. I dont give a about any of that, tbh. Because all those bigs that left had one or two good years left and they weren't that great (after they left). As great as those bigs are/were they have ONE championship between them post Kobe and yet those are 4 of the best bigs since 2000? Right? Kobe ran them off right? their dissatisfaction with management had NOTHING to do with it?Right?

But let's say Cry that is all on Kobe ... what have those dudes really done post Kobe? The one ring those 4 have ... needed Wade in MJ form and the refs in Donaghy form to pull off.

We got the best of Pau/Bynum and Shaq. Howard, not so much but after one good playoff I dont regret him being gone either. Problem is instead of doing the same with Kobe we gave him 24 million a year.

Again I dont give a about any of the drama. I deal with results. It's easy to make excuses balaming one person Jim in the FO, Byron or Kobe when ALL of teh above are culpable.

But when discussing Kobe's play that is on him alone. his shot selection was always shaky but the fact that he sucks now is haunting his play and his FG% I dont give two s about his personality or lack thereof.

[DPG21920]

You absolutely should care about Kobe being an awful teammate and running guys out. He's ushered in the darkest era LA basketball has ever seen. There is no sun on the horizon either. This isn't the LA Kobe's, its the Lakers. Unless you have Kobe ahead of the team (most do), then there is no reason not to be pissed at being the Sixers West (except with no promising plan or future). That's all Kobe.

[Killakobe81]

that has been the main reason (outside of the basketball reasons) why we suck so bad right now. When it was time to cut bait with our bigs we let them all go (or they left) a season or two early. They were still good but we got the best of them ...

When it was Kobe's time .. we extended him despite the Achilles. That's on Jeannie and Jim.

[Cry Havoc]

What? What I meant was you were going back and talking about how Shaq left etc. I dont give a about any of that, tbh. Because all those bigs that left had one or two good years left and they weren't that great (after they left). As great as those bigs are/were they have ONE championship between them post Kobe and yet those are 4 of the best bigs since 2000? Right? Kobe ran them off right? their dissatisfaction with management had NOTHING to do with it?Right?

But let's say Cry that is all on Kobe ... what have those dudes really done post Kobe? The one ring those 4 have ... needed Wade in MJ form and the refs in Donaghy form to pull off.

We got the best of Pau/Bynum and Shaq. Howard, not so much but after one good playoff I dont regret him being gone either. Problem is instead of doing the same with Kobe we gave him 24 million a year.

Again I dont give a about any of the drama. I deal with results. It's easy to make excuses balaming one person Jim in the FO, Byron or Kobe when ALL of teh above are culpable.

But when discussing Kobe's play that is on him alone. his shot selection was always shaky but the fact that he sucks now is haunting his play and his FG% I dont give two s about his personality or lack thereof.

Pau averaged 18.5, 12, 2.7, and 2 blocks last year. Yeah. Definitely terrible. I'm sure he wouldn't even have gotten off the bench for the Lakers last year. Nevermind the fact that he could have been far more productive with the Lakers if Kobe didn't try to dominate every single possession.

Shaq averaged 22 and 10.5 with 2.3 blocks his first year in Miami. 20/9/2 his second.

That even further illustrates the problem. Kobe had two all-world bigs IN THEIR PRIME, and still couldn't live with them on the court. Marc was probably a candidate for LA until Pau talked him away from that trainwreck. Kobe didn't even wait for Bynum to prove himself before he got tossed under the bus. You think that kind of stuff doesn't translate to on-court performance? Ok man. You're a good dude and I enjoy the back and forth we have but you are seriously sticking your head so deep in the sand with this one that you probably found the water table. And that's saying something here in California.

[DPG21920]

LA fans are so crazy . This once proud franchise is literally now the laughing stock of the league. Worse than the Sixers. At least the Sixers are upfront with their fans about their plan (whether it works or not). They have a shot at a future with a ton of assets (draft picks and young recent players with high ceilings).

LA is now going on their 4th year of total embarassment on the court. Then you look at their management team, them getting slapped in the face each off season and being horrific on the court? Sure, just be mad at Kobe's play, not the person that has literally scorched the franchise to the ground over the LAST 4 YEARS.

[Cry Havoc]

LA fans are so crazy . This once proud franchise is literally now the laughing stock of the league. Worse than the Sixers. At least the Sixers are upfront with their fans about their plan (whether it works or not). They have a shot at a future with a ton of assets (draft picks and young recent players with high ceilings).

LA is now going on their 4th year of total embarassment on the court. Then you look at their management team, them getting slapped in the face each off season and being horrific on the court? Sure, just be mad at Kobe's play, not the person that has literally scorched the franchise to the ground over the LAST 4 YEARS.

Nah man, Kobe's ego problems never cause any problems on-court. It's all the terrible Lakers management.

[Killakobe81]

You absolutely should care about Kobe being an awful teammate and running guys out. He's ushered in the darkest era LA basketball has ever seen. There is no sun on the horizon either. This isn't the LA Kobe's, its the Lakers. Unless you have Kobe ahead of the team (most do), then there is no reason not to be pissed at being the Sixers West (except with no promising plan or future). That's all Kobe.

I am pissed about his play this year .. because we have young players that need to develop. I dont care if he takes shots from Lou or Swaggy. But Russ and Randle? yep. And I dont care that Dwight left because they would be detrimental to the tank.Would have loved to keep Pau but that also wouldnt help us lose and he needed a clean start.

[FkLA]

What? What I meant was you were going back and talking about how Shaq left etc. I dont give a about any of that, tbh. Because all those bigs that left had one or two good years left and they weren't that great (after they left). As great as those bigs are/were they have ONE championship between them post Kobe and yet those are 4 of the best bigs since 2000? Right? Kobe ran them off right? their dissatisfaction with management had NOTHING to do with it?Right?

But let's say Cry that is all on Kobe ... what have those dudes really done post Kobe? The one ring those 4 have ... needed Wade in MJ form and the refs in Donaghy form to pull off.

We got the best of Pau/Bynum and Shaq. Howard, not so much but after one good playoff I dont regret him being gone either. Problem is instead of doing the same with Kobe we gave him 24 million a year.

Again I dont give a about any of the drama. I deal with results. It's easy to make excuses balaming one person Jim in the FO, Byron or Kobe when ALL of teh above are culpable.

But when discussing Kobe's play that is on him alone. his shot selection was always shaky but the fact that he sucks now is haunting his play and his FG% I dont give two s about his personality or lack thereof.

lol they only have 1 ring post-Kirby combined and how many does Kirby have without them holding his hand?

[Killakobe81]

Pau averaged 18.5, 12, 2.7, and 2 blocks last year. Yeah. Definitely terrible. I'm sure he wouldn't even have gotten off the bench for the Lakers last year. Nevermind the fact that he could have been far more productive with the Lakers if Kobe didn't try to dominate every single possession.

Shaq averaged 22 and 10.5 with 2.3 blocks his first year in Miami. 20/9/2 his second.

That even further illustrates the problem. Kobe had two all-world bigs IN THEIR PRIME, and still couldn't live with them on the court. Marc was probably a candidate for LA until Pau talked him away from that trainwreck. Kobe didn't even wait for Bynum to prove himself before he got tossed under the bus. You think that kind of stuff doesn't translate to on-court performance? Ok man. You're a good dude and I enjoy the back and forth we have but you are seriously sticking your head so deep in the sand with this one that you probably found the water table. And that's saying something here in California.

And those numbers for Shaq ... are nothing compared to what he did in L.A. with a shot hog like Kobe, btw. Do you dispute that those players had their best years with the Lakers? I never said I was happy about any of that I am not even defending Kobe for it. But in the end management let them go after their peak but still making max dollars. As you and Deeps know I am against paying dudes max dollars not worth it anymore, even Kobe.

[Killakobe81]

LA fans are so crazy . This once proud franchise is literally now the laughing stock of the league. Worse than the Sixers. At least the Sixers are upfront with their fans about their plan (whether it works or not). They have a shot at a future with a ton of assets (draft picks and young recent players with high ceilings).

LA is now going on their 4th year of total embarassment on the court. Then you look at their management team, them getting slapped in the face each off season and being horrific on the court? Sure, just be mad at Kobe's play, not the person that has literally scorched the franchise to the ground over the LAST 4 YEARS.

How many games has Kobe played the past 4 years? I am not saying Kobe is not part if the problem never said he wasn't. What I am disagreeing with is caring about or crying about Pau/Shaq or Dwight leaving. Even if Kobe is the problem that still falls on coaching/management for allowing it to happen.

What are we even arguing about here? I Agree that Kobe sucks and is hurting the development of the team on the court and his contract hurt us off it but I dont cry over the departure of past their peak big men or care about how he is a team-mate. I can post where team-mates including Caron talk about Kobe as a great team-mate. But you dont care and it wont change your mind so why bother? and right now I dont give two s about defending Kobe.

Oh and LOL Bynum. Should of known yall was trolling when he was mentioned with Shaq/Pau ...

[BD24]

Just created an account over on LG. This should be fun.

[DMC]

You absolutely should care about Kobe being an awful teammate and running guys out. He's ushered in the darkest era LA basketball has ever seen. There is no sun on the horizon either. This isn't the LA Kobe's, its the Lakers. Unless you have Kobe ahead of the team (most do), then there is no reason not to be pissed at being the Sixers West (except with no promising plan or future). That's all Kobe.

This imo.

You have a media attraction player who, through association, is credited with championships he participated in. It went to his head, and he thinks he's more than he ever actually was. He expects rookie players to be able to "help him" instead of him helping them. He thinks the game is about making him shine. Even Michael had better team chemistry than Kobe, and no one was more compe ive than Michael. , Mike even punched a teammate in the face (Will Purdue). Kobe's been entrenched in this media fueled delusion of grandeur, and he's never re-calibrated himself to modern times where he's a worn out, washed up player.

The front office is squeezing every ounce of life they can get from the rabid fan base until Kobe is forced, through embarrassment, into retirement.

Fans should absolutely care that Kobe is a ty teammate. If he was a mentor, your futures would be much brighter. Right now you're lame ducks waiting for this loose tooth to fall out, and that tooth is infected and it's causing the surrounding gums and teeth to rot. "but we don't care how the tooth affects the other teeth, just that we can chew". Part meet parcel.

[Killakobe81]

Just created an account over on LG. This should be fun.

You wont last ...but good luck.

[Killakobe81]

This imo.

You have a media attraction player who, through association, is credited with championships he participated in. It went to his head, and he thinks he's more than he ever actually was. Even Michael had better team chemistry than Kobe, and no one was more compe ive than Michael. , Mike even punched a teammate in the face (Will Purdue). Kobe's been entrenched in this media fueled delusion of grandeur, and he's never re-calibrated himself to modern times where he's a worn out, washed up player.

The front office is squeezing every ounce of life they can get from the rabid fan base until Kobe is forced, through embarrassment, into retirement.

Fans should absolutely care that Kobe is a ty teammate. If he was a mentor, your futures would be much brighter. Right now you're lame ducks waiting for this loose tooth to fall out, and that tooth is infected and it's causing the surrounding gums and teeth to rot. "but we don't care how the tooth affects the other teeth, just that we can chew". Part meet parcel.

Never said I dont care about it right now. I said I dont care about the past. Living in the past is why we are in trouble right now. You do realize I was complaining about his shooting and his play right? I also want him to get the young players involved. I also complained about the bad habits he Nick and Lou are teaching the young players.

Again we agree Kobe is sucking and detrimental to the team. I just dont care about the extra , never have.

[RsxPiimp]

Killa is a true solider.

[BD24]

You wont last ...but good luck.

I'm actually saying really ridicoulus things and seeing if I can get any of the idiots to agree with me. No bites as of yet though. Just gonna leg hump any pro kobe fans.

[DPG21920]

How many games has Kobe played the past 4 years? I am not saying Kobe is not part if the problem never said he wasn't. What I am disagreeing with is caring about or crying about Pau/Shaq or Dwight leaving. Even if Kobe is the problem that still falls on coaching/management for allowing it to happen.

What are we even arguing about here? I Agree that Kobe sucks and is hurting the development of the team on the court and his contract hurt us off it but I dont cry over the departure of past their peak big men or care about how he is a team-mate. I can post where team-mates including Caron talk about Kobe as a great team-mate. But you dont care and it wont change your mind so why bother? and right now I dont give two s about defending Kobe.

Oh and LOL Bynum. Should of known yall was trolling when he was mentioned with Shaq/Pau ...

Has nothing to do (IMO) about whom he drove off before - it's about his contract, complaining after the contract and who he's kept from coming while ushering in the worst 4 years in LAL history by a far margin with no hope in sight. Then on top of it all? He's not letting the young guys develop because he refuses to adjust.

Yeah...it's just his on court shooting that LaL fans should be upset about..

[baseline bum]

This year is a Kirby hater's dream. Just keeps getting better and better.

[Killakobe81]

Has nothing to do (IMO) about whom he drove off before - it's about his contract, complaining after the contract and who he's kept from coming while ushering in the worst 4 years in LAL history by a far margin with no hope in site. Then on top of it all? He's not letting the young guys develop because he refuses to adjust.

Yeah...it's just his on court shooting that LaL fans should be upset about..

Deeps: Let me tell you why should be mad ...
Me: I just care that Kobe sucks right now and my team sucks, coach and FO sucks ....
Deeps: No, you should care about how Kobe was in the lockeroom in January of 2010 though I have no proof of that because I was not there ...

[DPG21920]

no proof


Your defense is better than Kobe's - I will give you that.