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The debate would still be better Kawhi vs Paul George with the way the latter has comeback..Again, i think playing in the East help, but PG has been quite amazing after that awful foot injury..
Rose is so ing bad on defense and offense and walks around like he owns the whole ing arena.
The debate would still be better Kawhi vs Paul George with the way the latter has comeback..Again, i think playing in the East help, but PG has been quite amazing after that awful foot injury..
this plus the fact Pop is 10 times better than rookie Hoiberg
Also, bear in mind that Kawhi is 2 years younger than Butler..he will make mockery of this comparison down the road at the development rate he is on...
You don't think the spurs a .500 team without Kawhi or what?wut ?
and Bulls without Buttler are what then ?
dumb statement backed up by nothing
gotta go with Leonard. DPOY and scoring over 20 points per game. I would take Leonard over Butler.
Kawhi's low impact on this team
That stat is so misleading, especially for 2014. The Spurs were 8-8 without Kawhi because they literally lost their top three wings at the same time. Once Green came back, the Spurs were 6-3 without Leonard, and that included two games that Pop essentially punted by sitting Duncan and Parker.
For 2015, here's the (apparently non-exhaustive) missed-game list:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._injuries.html
Do you see what's significant? Kawhi, Parker and Splitter (and Patty obviously) all missed a bunch of time in those games, and the team had to rely on Duncan, Manu and Green to carry the load. That was the month from , where the team had 18 games in 31 days. That wasn't conducive to long-term winning.
I'm not at all saying Kawhi isn't a critical player. It's just silly that you and others on this board keep regurgitating ESPN stat-bites instead of actually looking at what's going on. You trade Kawhi for Butler, and the Spurs are still a dominant team in the West, and the Bulls are at best fringe contenders. Kawhi is WAY better than Jimmy, but the Spurs as a whole are WAAAAY better than that roster in Chicago.
That stat was even before last season. Come back with the numbers.
I just did. Did you not see the reference to 2014? That was is injury during the RRT of the 2013-2014 season.
Go back before 2014.
Why? The post I was responding to didn't:
I'm not going to go around and check info for you. I haven't seen anyone mention the Spurs' 2013 record without Leonard (likely it wasn't significantly different). If you have seen something to suggest different, post it. But you're an awful lazy poster who doesn't fool anyone.
you answered the question. I don't think it's even debatable. Without Butler, the Bulls are even more . Without Leonard, the Spurs are still a really good team.
Never knew Butler was so old, he's probably peaked.
Butler is a nice player, but he's not on Leonard's level, not nearly as good an offensive player, and his rebounding really falls behind Leonard's which is very important for the Spurs. Both teams without these guys would suck. The Spurs are a very old team, I could easily see Duncan and Manu getting completely burned out by season's end from overcompensating on defense, Parker would break down badly too getting exposed out there. Everyone would have to see extended minutes, this team would just break down.
I guess you are the ESPN guy.
Not even close. An ESPN guy lets people spoonfeed him info. I researched my own numbers. I just won't do that for you. Again, you're not fooling anyone. You try to ride Harlem's stats or even Apa's and think that makes you even a passable poster. But it doesn't. You've yet to show you have a basketball take that someone didn't give you.I guess you are the ESPN guy.
I would trade Kawhi for PG in a heartbeat. Imagine that duo in Indiana.... (Okay, I know that KL's improvement was really helped by the Spurs and etc, but still scary.)
I wouldn't. George makes more money, is signed for a year less and has a bigger injury risk. With Kawhi shooting at an elite rate now, I don't know if Paul is a better fit for the offense, and there's already a precedent of George not keeping his frustrations in house.
OP: "Butler is tougher..."
Based on what, exactly?
The Bulls can't even get out of the East with Butler so it's a pretty good bet they wouldn't sniff it without him.
How would the Spurs do without Leonard? Do they ring without him?
ESPN guys hear it from other people and pass it off just like what you are doing. Go do the research and not some quasi research.
My takes are my own. You are just a dumbass to differentiate.
ESPN guys hear it from other people and pass it off just like what you are doing. Go do the research and not some quasi research.
My takes are my own. You are just a dumbass to differentiate.My takes just happen to be the exact same as the rest of my crew's, honest
Bro, I didn't pass on anything I heard from someone else. Rauso made a claim about two seasons, and I qualified what he said. Your beef is that I didn't argue against or try to qualify claims Rauso didn't make. I can understand why you don't want to use your own takes, since you have no idea how to form a coherent argument.
Every time we get in a discussion. You bring apalisoc_9 and HarlemHeat37. Seeing as how we are top 10 posters in ST I take that as a compliment.
Bro, I didn't pass on anything I heard from someone else. Rauso made a claim about two seasons, and I qualified what he said. Your beef is that I didn't argue against or try to qualify claims Rauso didn't make. I can understand why you don't want to use your own takes, since you have no idea how to form a coherent argument.
Maybe you should try to make game assessments and not just after the fact. Wait that would expose yourself. Carry on.
I don't quite get the statement you're trying to make, mainly because of your syntax. But no, copying people who are smarter than you doesn't deserve credit. Were you one of those kids who turned in photocopies of Cliffnotes for your English Assignments?
I assume you mean that I should make game predictions, since I make a ton of assessments. I certainly don't feel bad for using stats the way they're supposed to be used (descriptively). I'll take that over your inability to think outside of what people tell you. I just wish you showed that you actually think about what you say, but alas, I'm left waiting.Maybe you should try to make game assessments and not just after the fact. Wait that would expose yourself. Carry on.
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