aka, Kockistan run by Kockenstein monster (Walker). the corruption is even worse, and worsening, than most red, slave states.
All of the sheriffs, judges, DA's and investigators talking in terms of good and evil, demonizing their suspect, and the like was deeply troubling. The god delusion is at the root of that nonsense. The Averys are a bunch of ups and re s sure but that doesn't make them anything other than that.
like that is why I reject the Christian god. Time to move beyond good and evil.
Started watching, I was thinking "there's no way they're going to get me to care about this low-life, and injustices happen all the time"
but by the end of the first episode I couldn't believe what I was seeing and I cared...
I guess I gotta watch this so I can quit avoiding this thread
Compare to what they did to the Avery's.Unlike a member of the public, the officer gets a “cooling off” period before he has to respond to any questions. Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation is privy to the names of his complainants and their testimony against him before he is ever interrogated. Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation is to be interrogated “at a reasonable hour,” with a union member present. Unlike a member of the public, the officer can only be questioned by one person during his interrogation. Unlike a member of the public, the officer can be interrogated only “for reasonable periods,” which “shall be timed to allow for such personal necessities and rest periods as are reasonably necessary.” Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation cannot be “threatened with disciplinary action” at any point during his interrogation. If he is threatened with punishment, whatever he says following the threat cannot be used against him.
What happens after the interrogation again varies from state to state. But under nearly every law enforcement bill of rights, the following additional privileges are granted to officers: Their departments cannot publicly acknowledge that the officer is under investigation; if the officer is cleared of wrongdoing or the charges are dropped, the department may not publicly acknowledge that the investigation ever took place, or reveal the nature of the complaint. The officer cannot be questioned or investigated by “non-government agents,” which means no civilian review boards. If the officer is suspended as a result of the investigation, he must continue to receive full pay and benefits until his case is resolved. In most states, the charging department must subsidize the accused officer’s legal defense.
A violation of any of the above rights can result in dismissal—not of the officer, but of the charges against him.
http://www.cato.org/blog/police-misc...rs-bill-rights
About halfway through episode 3.
I have a hard time believing someone who spent 18 years in prision would kill someone who he did buisness with ( the woman took pictures of his cars for auto trader) hide her car, behind a couple of boards and burn her body on his property. That just seems a bit too convienient for me.
Who knows, maybe my opion will change as i continue to watch but so far, i'm skeptical.
^ Read the article, thats pretty crazy. I found the part about "reasonable periods" to be ,particulary, interesting. People have been corerced into confessioning after being interrogated for hours on end by multiple investigators and threatened with long prision sentences and the death penalty if they don't confess to the crimes.
The "Cooling Off" period is also interesting. Take the Chicago coverup of the MacDonald shooting. All of the officers on scene backed up the cops assertion that he came at him with a knife. The PD later intimidated witnesses and deleted surveliance from a burger king, which captured the shooting. It allows police to get there stories straight, if there isn't video evidence then many of these cases go away.
The Walter Scott case would have been closed had it not been for the video of the cop shooting him in the back 8 times and planting a taser on his body.
Rewatching episode 8 (after being interupted by an uninterested significant other and 2 children) and there is so much doubt for me that he did this. He might have done it, but I'm with cd021 on why would he even consider killing someone after being in prison stuff. I also worry about the trauma associated with being in prison for 18 years. How was his mental health? Like was he even competent to stand trial? Because Manitowac (or Calumet) county should have examined that as well as all these other leads.
Also, a few cameras would have save him all this trouble.
How do you not have security cameras on such a big place? A good place camera shot with you on it would remove any sort of doubts.
I mean, it was a business after all. How did they keep instruders away if not for some deterrent?
Cameras are an important tool these days.
Do you know where Manitowoc is? Unless you have to be there for a reason there is no reason to be there. It's a small rural area where everyone knows everyone and where everyone is at. There's really no need for it. Not to mention it is on earth (actually all of Wisconsin except for maybe Madison are).
If i thought the police had a grudge against me and my family, i would invest in some. There is just so many places were evidence could be hidden (in the junk yard). He would have no idea what someone put in the back of one of those cars. Then again, i see Asheeighs point. I grew up in the country, it wasn't uncommon for people to leave their car doors unlocked.
After initially watching the do entary I thought Avery may have been setup.
I did some additional investigation on my own though and the do entary left out alot of key evidence. Was the trial an absolute joke and was there a ton of shady going on? Yes 1000 times. If you look at the additional evidence not included in the do entary though it becomes fairly apparent that Avery and his re nephew most likely killed this lady.
Would hang out with Strang and Buting.
Yeah, the do entary is fairly one-sided. After reading up on the missing pieces not in the show, hard to conclude anything other than he was guilty. Think the point of the show ended up being how wrong-fully imprisoning something can lead them on a path he may not have taken otherwise. Definitely not the brightest bulbs. Sure didn't get the fairest of trials.
The blood in the car was the real nail in the coffin
I just can't understand the motive here. Makes no sense why he'd kill someone, esp in that manner.
I'm about halfway into episode 6 but that was one of the things that stuck out to me. He had a cut on his finger but was supposedly wearing gloves. There were no finger prints inside of the car but there was his blood? That makes zero sense.
The cousin of the victim didn't seem believable ,to me, for some reason. She just happened to find her cousins car after searching for half an hour in a Lott of hundreds of vehicles?
its impossible to stab someone on a bed like they argued without having any drop of blood in the house or any DNA of the girl. if they shot her in the garage like they also claimed there would be blood....again NO DNA.
he may have done it but there is no way you can convict him without some sort of reasonable doubt.
I didn't say it was a fair trial, or that it happened as they said. But if you look at all of the evidence presented it becomes fairly obvious he is more than likely guilty.
So?
You cant convict someone because they look guilty. You have to prove it and they didn't do that beyond a reasonable doubt. If anything, there is nothing but doubts in this case.
Guy deserves a re-trial or be set free.
More from these Q&As..
Wisconsin sure did a lot to try to bury this do entary for someone who did "the right thing."
Tell me how this guy wasn't ed, again?
It's really getting to a point where this guy should just be set free, cold turkey.
He was definitely ed, I do agree with that. That trial was not a fair trial by any means, it should of been declared a mistrial.Wisconsin sure did a lot to try to bury this do entary for someone who did "the right thing."
Tell me how this guy wasn't ed, again?
It's really getting to a point where this guy should just be set free, cold turkey.
With that said though, its tough to imagine he didn't do it after looking at the additional evidence. I wanted him to be innocent, I really did. I was convinced he was after originally watching the do entary. After seeing the glaring evidence left out by the do entary though it really makes it difficult to believe that he didnt do it.
I think one of those weirdo cousins of his did it. Bobby Dassey or the other inbred cretin. Then the Manitowoc pigs wanted it to be him so badly that they planted the key and blood and forced the re ed kid into a confession. Please tell me how the the key has his DNA on it but not hers. That makes zero sense.
Although Brendan Dassey is a legit re , he did tell the police things that matched up without being coaxed in the part of the transcript that was left out of the do entary. You can read the whole transcript online. The key was obviously planted by police, doesn't mean he didn't do it though.
One of the most damning pieces of evidence is that when he called to get the pictures he specifically requested her. She didn't want to go out there because Avery made her uncomfortable. He also placed 3 calls to her cellphone, dialing from *67 twice that day. There was also a fingerprint under the hood of the car that was never mentioned in the do entary.
Again if you look at all of the evidence its pretty damning against him.
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