If the Hawks have a fire sale who would you be interested in for the Spurs?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/2016/

We are sitting at ~$6m under the cap if we rescind Bonner and Butler which seems likely. We can really only use that space if we trade for players though because of how the league accounts for exceptions. IOW, we can take on ~$6m in salary in a trade and still use our MLE/etc this offseason.

[Russ]

Didn't realize Korver was having such a lousy year, maybe the Spurs can pick him up cheap.

The Spurs and Hawks tend to help each other. Might Korver be had for a second round pick?

Could Korver be additional compensation for the Splitter deal? How does Atlanta view that deal?

A future pick and Butler?

The Spurs won't mortgage the future (strictly against their principles) for a Korver rental. So it may be academic.

[Chinook]

The Spurs and Hawks tend to help each other. Might Korver be had for a second round pick?

Could Korver be additional compensation for the Splitter deal? How does Atlanta view that deal?

A future pick and Butler?

The Spurs won't mortgage the future (strictly against their principles) for a Korver rental. So it may be academic.

Korver is mad-unrealistic unless the team gives up a rotation player. Problem with that is that the Hawks don't have the cheap decent guys to help the Spurs fill in the holes trading rotation guys would make.

[tmtcsc]

We gave Splitter to the Hawks to free dollars for LA, not sure what they lost outside of the money. At the time, it looked like a big win for the Hawks.

Because of the Opportunity Cost of using the $$ for a player who was clearly damaged. He should really retire. It's a sad reality for him but his body can't take the NBA grind. No shame in that - few can.

[Robz4000]

Plenty of guys I'd want, but the Spurs don't have the contracts to get them or would have to give up players I like more.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I'm surprised nobody ITT has flaunted the idea of bringing back ter, tbh

[Chinook]

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/cap/2016/

We are sitting at ~$6m under the cap if we rescind Bonner and Butler which seems likely. We can really only use that space if we trade for players though because of how the league accounts for exceptions. IOW, we can take on ~$6m in salary in a trade and still use our MLE/etc this offseason.

Yeah, you can't actually do that. Trades that use cap space can only be done if the exceptions are renounced. You're really bad at this basketball thing.

[wildbill2u]

The Spurs built a damn good team that is just now rounding into shape with the new players (LMA, West, Simmons, Boban) understanding their roles in the Spurs team system. While a final tweak for the perfect player would be great, it ain't gonna happen because the perfect player to fit in isn't going to be available for the right price.

After all, we are sitting in the second place in the league so maybe we should ride it out and see if lightning can't strike again.

[sasaint]

The two teams aren't a good match. The Hawks have a bunch of mid-sized contracts (basically their entire rotation) while the Spurs have no expendable mid-sized deals. Unless the team can get Horford for a song, they isn't anything that could work out.

So like this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jgc9hft Plus three unprotected firsts by the Spurs. That doesn't address Manu retiring (and in fact only exacerbates it), but it does ensure the Spurs of having the best front court for a few more years.

I do not see us making any moves, but especially not one that involves so many pieces. First, I just do not think a bunch of Atlanta's young guys are really very appealing. I like our young guys fine, and as Philly has proved amply, a team can't have very many developmental prospects at once. Plus, 3 #1 picks seems a little rich. If Atlanta does not believe they can re-sign Horford, then I could see our offering them Danny and 2 #1s. (Throw in Marjanovic if they need a fill-in big.) They can probably do better. Really after Boris' tenure in Charlotte, I suspect that he really is seen as having almost no value at all except by San Antonio. Probably nobody is really excited by Mills, either. The possibility that the Spurs do something before this trade deadline seems even more unlikely than in past years, tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, you can't actually do that. Trades that use cap space can only be done if the exceptions are renounced. You're really bad at this basketball thing.

Another blanket dismissal without proof from the usual suspect. Same guy who kept on saying we couldn't get enough room last year with the same excuse.

[Chinook]

I do not see us making any moves, but especially not one that involves so many pieces. First, I just do not think a bunch of Atlanta's young guys are really very appealing. I like our young guys fine, and as Philly has proved amply, a team can't have very many developmental prospects at once. Plus, 3 #1 picks seems a little rich. If Atlanta does not believe they can re-sign Horford, then I could see our offering them Danny and 2 #1s. (Throw in Marjanovic if they need a fill-in big.) They can probably do better. Really after Boris' tenure in Charlotte, I suspect that he really is seen as having almost no value at all except by San Antonio. Probably nobody is really excited by Mills, either. The possibility that the Spurs do something before this trade deadline seems even more unlikely than in past years, tbh.

I actually think both of those guys would be huge for Atlanta. They both know how to play the way Bud wants to play, and they can be the core to building a strong bench. The only issue is they need a center.

I don't think Green for Horford makes sense for either team. The Spurs don't need to trade a wing for a big, especially right now. And you're sending one of West or Diaw to the deep bench. It's bad form. And the Hawks are thin up front as it is. They don't need to commit a lot of money to Green. Boban helps somewhat, but they already have a 7-3 guy who's best as a fifth big.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Teams under the salary cap may make trades as they please, as long as they don't finish more than $100,000 above the salary cap following any trade. But if a team finishes more than $100,000 over the cap, whether they started out above or below the cap, then an exception is required. An exception is the mechanism that allows a team to make trades or sign players and finish over the salary cap. Since most teams are usually over the salary cap, trades are usually completed using exceptions.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82

[elemento]

All guys could potentially help the Spurs

The question is: Are they worth the price?

[Chinook]

Another blanket dismissal without proof from the usual suspect. Same guy who kept on saying we couldn't get enough room last year with the same excuse.

There's a difference between, 'This won't work under the specified parameters' and 'This is against the rules.' The former was the explanations of why the Spurs couldn't keep their top eight and sign LMA (which they didn't end up doing). The latter is a dismissal based on the CBA not letting a team use cap space and the MLE in the same off-season NO MATTER WHAT.

This is really basic CBAing. That you don't know this is why you can't come up with a basic argument.

[SpursFan86]

I love these threads, they usually turn into "let's give them our crap for their All-Stars" type of deals.

Can't remember which thread it was, but someone on here a few days ago proposed Bonner + McCallum for Michael Carter-Williams

[HarlemHeat37]

Yeah, you can't actually do that. Trades that use cap space can only be done if the exceptions are renounced. You're really bad at this basketball thing.

[DPG21920]

Fuzzy, you are wrong here and Chinook is correct. Anyone who knows the CBA remotely at all understands you can't use cap space and MLE. It's why it's called an "exception" fundamentally.

Anyways, Horford is their best player (IMO) when it comes to impact and would a ridiculous fit next to LMA post-Duncan. I can't at all see the Spurs having near the assets to obtain him but I would obviously be all for it.

[DPG21920]

Another blanket dismissal without proof from the usual suspect. Same guy who kept on saying we couldn't get enough room last year with the same excuse.

That's not really what he said at all last year w/ regards to LMA. He simply outlined what certain people were proposing would not work (keep everyone). Certain things (like the Tiago trade) changed the known variables.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not a fan of any Hawks players, tbh..I'd take Bazemore as a backup wing, but he's probably too good to play that role(although not good enough to be a reliable starter)..

Horford and Millsap are unreliable and awkward for playoff basketball, and Korver is just too old, at this point..

[HarlemHeat37]

Fuzzy, you are wrong here and Chinook is correct. Anyone who knows the CBA remotely at all understands you can't use cap space and MLE. It's why it's called an "exception" fundamentally.

Anyways, Horford is their best player (IMO) when it comes to impact and would a ridiculous fit next to LMA post-Duncan. I can't at all see the Spurs having near the assets to obtain him but I would obviously be all for it.

To be fair, isn't that always the case?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, you are wrong here and Chinook is correct. Anyone who knows the CBA remotely at all understands you can't use cap space and MLE. It's why it's called an "exception" fundamentally.

Anyways, Horford is their best player (IMO) when it comes to impact and would a ridiculous fit next to LMA post-Duncan. I can't at all see the Spurs having near the assets to obtain him but I would obviously be all for it.

I was talking about trades and I just quoted where you could trade as much as you want as long as you end up at no more than $100k over. It helps when judging an argument to at least understand the argument, grit and grind.

[sasaint]

I actually think both of those guys would be huge for Atlanta. They both know how to play the way Bud wants to play, and they can be the core to building a strong bench. The only issue is they need a center.

I don't think Green for Horford makes sense for either team. The Spurs don't need to trade a wing for a big, especially right now. And you're sending one of West or Diaw to the deep bench. It's bad form. And the Hawks are thin up front as it is. They don't need to commit a lot of money to Green. Boban helps somewhat, but they already have a 7-3 guy who's best as a fifth big.

I do not think that Patty and Diaw would be huge for Atlanta. But I believe that if any other team saw any real value in either player, it would be Atlanta. So don't worry about the additional players: offer up Patty, Boris and 2 1st round picks for Horford and see if they bite. Throw in Boban if necessary. Don't get me wrong - I love Horford, and having him AND Aldridge AND West going forward in a post-Timmy world would be about as good as we could possibly dream. Just get RC's go ahead and do it!

[buttsR4rebounding]

How about Coach Bud for Becky Hammond? Can we finally admit the female coach experiment is a fail?

[Chinook]

I do not think that Patty and Diaw would be huge for Atlanta. But I believe that if any other team saw any real value in either player, it would be Atlanta. So don't worry about the additional players: offer up Patty, Boris and 2 1st round picks for Horford and see if they bite. Throw in Boban if necessary. Don't get me wrong - I love Horford, and having him AND Aldridge AND West going forward in a post-Timmy world would be about as good as we could possibly dream. Just get RC's go ahead and do it!

The issue is that the Spurs need a PG who's better than McCallum, and I don't know where they'd find one. Maybe the Grizz are willing to give up Calathes for nothing? Or the Heat want to dump Udrih? If the team had Prigioni instead of McCallum, this would be much less of an issue right now.