Rich Kids Stay Rich, Poor Kids Stay Poor

[RandomGuy]

You're anomalies. This is why data is better than anecdotes.

Also a bit of a biased sample. (WC + Darrin)

Very poor people generally don't have as much internet access. The ones that are poor and stayed poor because of whatever reason, probably aren't here to give themselves as an example, even if they were inclined to so do.

[mingus]

Should the past be held on to for anyone wanting to move into the future?


Families breaking up happen in all cultural settings. It used to be almost nonexistent in the 50's, but pretty much the norm after the 70's.


So who's fault is that? Is it the white man's fault that hatred is passed down by memory rather than genetics?


The playing field has been level for decades now. The only reason why others cannot rise higher is their own bigotry.


Yep.

Thank-You president Clinton for signing all those free trade deals,.


There were never good jobs for the inner city slums. Not since the civil rights legislation. One sad truth is when were a separate people, the blacks had their own businesses, that dried yo when the civil rights act passed. this was an unexpected consequence.


Not true. Most manufacturing jobs employing large numbers were union jobs that paid living wages. That's why, when the global free trade passed, they quickly dried up.


Stupid? No. businesses will do what is best for their share holders within the law. What was stupid, what president Clinton signing the legislation that allowed it.


I'm an advocate of making it next to impossible for illegals to work legally. I suggest we financially destroy any business knowingly employing illegal aliens. I suggest we make mandatory some verification process.


I don't know what to say about the ignorant populace that believes charlatans.

I won't respond to everything because, well, there's a lot of agreement here, and it'd be redundant.

But I'll respond to a couple of things.

In my first point, I was just stating the fact that culture is important, and Black-American culture has been held back in the past. The patriarchal/man-is-the-breadwinner family system, a part of White culture and virtually every other immigrant culture, never had much of a chance to form with them since families were torn apart (i.e. dads sold off as slaves) & basic educational & economical rights were kept from them (literacy, university, professions) until relatively recently. This culture takes time to develop. How can we, as Whites who have no possible way of being able to relate to that, say how long is too long? All we can do is hope to expedite it. We've done enough harm already. We're not expediting it by letting illegals in who, in addition to taking manufacturing jobs that otherwise many low-middle class Blacks (& Whites) would take, they're a political distraction to their particular causes. You mentioned NAFTA, and I alluded to it--that too. You have to be able to take care of your own before you can take care of others. We're doing a ty ass job of that. We're generous to a ing fault, and a lot of these stupid ass politicians have to the balls to say--after we've basically enabled illegal immigration to happen because we're too nice--that we're (referring to conservatives, at least on this particular issue) heartless, have no compassion, hate immigrants etc. I'm so sick of that bull . There's a Golden Mean to everything, and 11 million illegals later, I'd say we've gone far passed it.

The other point you made is about whether Blacks should "hold on to" the past or something like that. That's connected to ^^^. I'd respond that, contrary and in addition to that, the past holds on to many of them. The destruction slavery had on the development of Black Culture, particularly in so far as family concerned, is virtually unprecedented. That in no way suggests that I agree a Black who comes from a good family who was able to break the cycle, should use/hold on to slavery as an excuse for his/her failings. Nor to I believe Blacks who didn't grown up with those things use it as an excuse. It won't help them break out of the cycle to do so. But recognition is important, recognition of the problem =/= blame said problem.