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    Get off my lawn!

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    ???

    Where did that outburst come from?

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    They came up with those intelligence classifications back in the 1920s and SCOTUS allowed sterilization of those deemed 'imbecile' or worse. People should be careful what they wish for.

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    How do you raise a kid working 60 hours a week?
    You share the duties with your gf/wife. She (or he) could also work a part-time job that is flexible enough so that she and he don't have to worry too much about day-care or kids at mom's house. It's not a perfect situation, but it's completely doable (plenty of people do do it), and it incentivizes self-improvement by goal-setting.

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    LOL people acting like working 60 hrs/week for 12.00 isn't compatible with living a decent life. I did this after high school as I was furthering my education. Sure, you've to make compromises and you're fine with that, so long as you don't have an en lement mentality and understand that the rewards & privileges that you don't have are YOURS if you better yourself by making smart/commonsensical decisions & working hard.

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    You share the duties with your gf/wife. She (or he) could also work a part-time job that is flexible enough so that she and he don't have to worry too much about day-care or kids at mom's house. It's not a perfect situation, but it's completely doable (plenty of people do do it), and it incentivizes self-improvement by goal-setting.
    In a two parent household yes.

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    In a two parent household yes.
    Yup. And unfortunately if you can't make the hours work so that enough time can be spent with the kid, then you've made a dumb decision to have a kid at least in the short term.

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    In a two parent household yes.
    Why do you enable irresponsible people, rather than hold them accountable for their problems?

    Are you one of them?

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    If people are irresponsible enough to have kids they can't afford, they should have their tubes tied in exchange for subsidies so they can't burden society with more subsidies in the future.

    They should be ashamed of themselves. I would expect them to work 80 hrs a week if needed, because they deserve that for their irresponsibility.

    They are losers. Not because they are poor, but because they feel en led for other people to subsidize them.

    I am sick of the losers in this country!

    Now of course, there are exceptions. People who had good income and had bad luck. Not many of those on subsidies fit that category though.
    You forgot to credit Trump for that quote.

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    Yup. And unfortunately if you can't make the hours work so that enough time can be spent with the kid, then you've made a dumb decision to have a kid at least in the short term.
    So the punishment for a "dumb" decision, in your opinion (which I assume also means getting divorced from the father of your children after an abusive marriage) is poverty.

    Seems harsh.

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    Why do you enable irresponsible people, rather than hold them accountable for their problems?

    Are you one of them?
    You guys have a very limited view of how people become single parents.

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    Why do you enable irresponsible people, rather than hold them accountable for their problems?

    Are you one of them?
    I have a friend in that exact situation, having to work 60 hour weeks while raising two kids alone after his wife was in the wrong place at the wrong time and caught a bullet to the head.

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    You guys have a very limited view of how people become single parents.
    I have stated there are exception in post 25.

    My problem is those having children when cannot afford to in the first place. You will always find someone who was OK financially, then something unforeseen happened. That's what we have safety nets for. Not for starting families on.

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    I have a friend in that exact situation, having to work 60 hour weeks while raising two kids alone after his wife was in the wrong place at the wrong time and caught a bullet to the head.
    That's an exception. Not what we normally see. Again, my problem is people starting families that cannot afford to.

    Goes to show that life insurance would be worth purchasing for a young couple.

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    But let's make abortion practically impossible for the greatest number of women possible. That will help.

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    That's an exception. Not what we normally see. Again, my problem is people starting families that cannot afford to.

    Goes to show that life insurance would be worth purchasing for a young couple.
    Still finding a way to blame the victim. Gotta admire the effort.

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    Still finding a way to blame the victim. Gotta admire the effort.
    No, I don't blame the victims. Just the perpetrators.

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    No, I don't blame the victims. Just the perpetrators.
    Shoulda had more insurance.

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    I have stated there are exception in post 25.

    My problem is those having children when cannot afford to in the first place. You will always find someone who was OK financially, then something unforeseen happened. That's what we have safety nets for. Not for starting families on.
    Min wage is not a safety net

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    Why do you enable irresponsible people, rather than hold them accountable for their problems?

    Are you one of them?
    Why hold the children responsible?

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    LOL people acting like working 60 hrs/week for 12.00 isn't compatible with living a decent life. I did this after high school as I was furthering my education. Sure, you've to make compromises and you're fine with that, so long as you don't have an en lement mentality and understand that the rewards & privileges that you don't have are YOURS if you better yourself by making smart/commonsensical decisions & working hard.
    It isnt compatible with having a life. It becomes a life.

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    It isnt compatible with having a life. It becomes a life.
    Although I can agree with the foundational outlook, there are more disconnects between that and eventual success now.

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    So the punishment for a "dumb" decision, in your opinion (which I assume also means getting divorced from the father of your children after an abusive marriage) is poverty.

    Seems harsh.
    What?

    Where did I say that? I don't know how you got there.

    If divorce happens due to abuse, and the woman takes full-custody of the child, and gets child support, then she & child can live & provide off of a wage of $11-12 hr on 40 hrs a week. It wouldn't be the greatest of living standards, but I wouldn't call it poverty. Unless, you're living in New York City, San Fran , LA etc. where the cost of living is ridiculous. In which case, move & settle to a more wallet-friendly part of the country. Again, not ideal. But that's what happens when you knowingly & naively produce a child with an alcoholic or wife-beater.

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    It isnt compatible with having a life. It becomes a life.
    Sort of. It becomes your life, for part of your life. and I worked 70-80 hrs/week sometimes. I worked 136 straight days at 10-12 hrs/day. But it's not permanent unless you want it to be. Now, my work is not my life.

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