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I dont know, but what I know is that Tim and Pop will still have only 4 rings today.
It's easy to look at trades 4+ years down the road, though. So many things happened in the meanwhile (playoffs experience, team chemistry, player development, injuries, playing time opportunities...) that it's almost meaningless, except to gloat.
PG made Kawhi redundant for them and they needed a player who could contribute immediately, not a project, so yes it was a win-win trade. It could easily have gone the other way. And I remember that not everybody here was pleased to see GHill go for a shy, goofy rookie forward.
I dont know, but what I know is that Tim and Pop will still have only 4 rings today.
I'd say Vucevic, easily, he's a 15 & 10 center shooting better than 50%.
Vucevic > Thompson > Faried > Kemba >>> CoJo.
1. Kawhi
2. Kyrie
3. Butler
4. Klay
5. Vucevic/Tobias/Thompson/Isaiah/Parsons/Kemba/Faried
I remember back then, this draft class was considered weak and the only safe future star pick was Irving. 'Experts' were also high on Vesely because he was an athletic European player.
Man you are a homer!
I like Cory, but there's a few I would put in front of him. Thompson, Faried, Harris, Mirotić, before they got injured, Motiejūnas and Shumpert to name a few from the first round. Like someone mentioned, Chandler Parsons and Isaiah Thomas also were picked in the second round.
enes kanter is not a good character, lazy, muppet show, no defense. he cant be fixed. pop would kick his ass asap i think.
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I can talk about Williams, but I dont know his work ethic. In college he was freak athlete, but a tweener, without proven jump shot. If he`d put same amout of work as Kawhi, well who knows.
2011 draft by WS:
1) Kawhi Leonard
2) Jimmy Butler
3) Isaiah Thomas
4) Kyrie Irving
5) Kenneth Faried
6) Klay Thompson
7) Chandler Parsons
8) Tristan Thompson
9) Jonas Valanciunas
10) Nikola Vucevic
11) Kemba Walker
12) Reggie Jackson
13) Enes Kanter
14) Tobias Harris
15) Markieff Morris
16) Marcus Morris
17) Bismack Biyombo
18) Derrick Williams
19) Cory Joseph
20) Lavoy Allen
21) Brandon Knight
22) Kyle Singler
23) Iman Shumpert
24) Alec Burks
25) Niloka Mirotic (with a bullet)
26) Jon Leuer
27) Donatas Montiejunas
28) Shelvin Mack
29) E'Tuan Moore
30) Jan Vesely
Is that the worst mistake that PATFO made?
Of course Pop/Spurs maximized his potential, but that doesn't mean he would be a scrub on another team. He is the only player the Spurs traded up in the draft to get which means that they knew he's talented.
Kyrie, IMO, is the one of the most overrated players. His only value is getting to the basket. His defense is awful and he is pretty stupid for a PG.
Cory will always be one of my favourite players. He doesn't do anything spectacular but he always does the right thing and plays within his limits. That is a rare thing, especially with a young PG.
Like the list, but Butler should go second and Klay third. Cory 5-10.
It's too bad that Lorbek's knee injury killed his career. He was playing quite well before that. His lack of defense was always going to limit his usefulness but he could score in a variety of ways.
Did you compile that entire list tbh?
There'd be no LMA right now, so I don't see it as much of a mistake. Plus, if Butler and Rose can't seem to share the ball, how could Butler, Parker and Kawhi do so? You already have people PMSing about Kawhi not getting enough touches as it is.
I'd love to see a similar post of comments from this site about the trade for Kwahi. As I recall, a lot of us were mystified by the FO trading a proven player to get an unknown defensive guy with not much offense.
One of the funniest lines went like this: If San Antonio comes to you with a trade, say no. You're gonna get fleeced.
But another guy went one better. "Good night. My wife wants to “snuggle”…so I guess I’m goint to go up stairs and get “San Antonio’d” by the wifey."
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