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    We are gonna play, Im running the offense you can run the defense Boris and West can cook some nice bistake but they need to watch Porker he eats everything.

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    Pop always says that "good defense leads to good offense". And he's right. But he leaves out the other side. When you play ty/stupid offense, it's the same as if the other team had played good defense. "Bad offense leads to good offense - for the other team."

    Go back and look at the play-by-play of some of GSW's games. (I'm not going to take hours to get exact numbers - you can tell enough by looking.) When Golden State is forced to inbound the ball on the opposite end of the floor, they are mere mortals. Where they eat other teams alive is on missed shots and turnovers. (And defensive fouls, where they get to inbound on their end of the court + offensive boards of course.) They score at a much higher rate, usually within 8 seconds - often a lot less.

    You want to beat the Warriors? Fix the damned offense. Every time our 3P shooters lay another brick, it's a high percentage chance that the Warriors will jam it back down their throats. Missing layups and crying for a whistle? The Warriors are off to the races. I don't know anything Pop can do about the bricks from distance, so I hope he as some wrinkle on the rest. Because the key to defending the Warriors, IMO, is making them play the length of the floor.

    Since they are scoring a lot of the time before our bigs are even back and set up on defense, maybe change things up and scratch for some offensive boards? At least you stop the jailbreak some of the time.

    When you're beat, foul before the shot and foul the out of them. No and-1's. And like Charles Barkley says, "See if he can drag his ass up off the floor and make the next one."

    David West is one of the best guys in the league for baiting Draymond into losing his cool. Use it. Klay Thompson is a hothead, too. Use Kevin Martin for that - he's been around enough to understand how.

    One thing's for sure - you can't beat Golden State at their own game. If the Spurs are going to post up, the bigs are going to have to be salty, and love the contact, instead of constantly looking for a whistle. They need to deliver their own punishment, instead of playing victim. The at ude needs to be - "If they bring a knife, I bring a gun." And every individual player on the team has to be thinking that way. That part's on Pop.

    The Spurs did a good job of making the game ugly last night, and keeping it close. For 3 quarters. If they had come out REALLY physical in the fourth, and not let the Dubs' shooters into any kind of rhythm, they could have had a shot at the end. I think it's pretty clear that the Warriors are a better team, which means the Spurs are going to have to grit out a series with them. I believe they could do it, but every player on the team would have to want it badly and dig deep. They need some nasty.

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    Green and Parker must be on the bench for any of this to happen

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    This. Pop was still experimenting last night. Only guy in the building who realized that game was meaningless with the seeds set.
    Exactly! Thank you! Pop is playing the long game and was indeed using the game as an experiment. The first half we really got into them defensively. I think it was a great time to give Martin and Boban some burn to see what they looked like against GSW. When I went back and watched parts of the game I felt more confident than ever we can play these guys very tough in the playoffs. They were not planning their best, but definitely trying to win.

    Time to get healthy, start getting in the playoffs zone, and building momentum. If we play GSW in the WCF- go out there and leave all on the floor.

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    Pop always says that "good defense leads to good offense". And he's right. But he leaves out the other side. When you play ty/stupid offense, it's the same as if the other team had played good defense. "Bad offense leads to good offense - for the other team."

    Go back and look at the play-by-play of some of GSW's games. (I'm not going to take hours to get exact numbers - you can tell enough by looking.) When Golden State is forced to inbound the ball on the opposite end of the floor, they are mere mortals. Where they eat other teams alive is on missed shots and turnovers. (And defensive fouls, where they get to inbound on their end of the court + offensive boards of course.) They score at a much higher rate, usually within 8 seconds - often a lot less.

    You want to beat the Warriors? Fix the damned offense. Every time our 3P shooters lay another brick, it's a high percentage chance that the Warriors will jam it back down their throats. Missing layups and crying for a whistle? The Warriors are off to the races. I don't know anything Pop can do about the bricks from distance, so I hope he as some wrinkle on the rest. Because the key to defending the Warriors, IMO, is making them play the length of the floor.

    Since they are scoring a lot of the time before our bigs are even back and set up on defense, maybe change things up and scratch for some offensive boards? At least you stop the jailbreak some of the time.

    When you're beat, foul before the shot and foul the out of them. No and-1's. And like Charles Barkley says, "See if he can drag his ass up off the floor and make the next one."

    David West is one of the best guys in the league for baiting Draymond into losing his cool. Use it. Klay Thompson is a hothead, too. Use Kevin Martin for that - he's been around enough to understand how.

    One thing's for sure - you can't beat Golden State at their own game. If the Spurs are going to post up, the bigs are going to have to be salty, and love the contact, instead of constantly looking for a whistle. They need to deliver their own punishment, instead of playing victim. The at ude needs to be - "If they bring a knife, I bring a gun." And every individual player on the team has to be thinking that way. That part's on Pop.

    The Spurs did a good job of making the game ugly last night, and keeping it close. For 3 quarters. If they had come out REALLY physical in the fourth, and not let the Dubs' shooters into any kind of rhythm, they could have had a shot at the end. I think it's pretty clear that the Warriors are a better team, which means the Spurs are going to have to grit out a series with them. I believe they could do it, but every player on the team would have to want it badly and dig deep. They need some nasty.


    I saw saw a couple possessions where Spurs missed a jumper and complained about no call instead of getting back on D, leading to a Warrior bucket...hope Pop is ripping

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    GSH, I agree with your prescription for defeating the Dubs, but I personally doubt that LMA has much "nasty" to bring. I also wonder how much "nasty" Kawhi has to offer. I love the guy, and his physical assets allow him to beast, but I haven't really seen him bring what I would call "nasty."

    Last night we had the pace where we wanted it for most of the game. If our shooting touch hadn't completely abandoned us, we would have won. If we can continue to dictate that kind of pace, a little "nasty" would probably put us over the top.

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    1. Motion offense needs to happen without Danny Green touching the ball.
    2. The team, particularly Danny Green, needs to hit open shots.
    3. The team, particularly Kawhi Leonard, needs to sacrifice getting shots off for drawing fouls.
    4. Stop ing with lineups and just play your best players, get out of the way and let them go.
    5. 4 down still sucks.
    Pretty much this and add
    6. play like you have a set of balls

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    I think their offense had clicked this year in stretches. Hasn't been any good in at least a month. The good news is that it can come back.
    a playoff series can do that, like first round '14

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    Pretty much this and add
    6. play like you have a set of balls
    The Spurs played lock down defense in the first half, then let up in the second half. Two solid quarters in a meaningless game is good enough for me. Wish they'd shot better but oh well.

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    a playoff series can do that, like first round '14
    It can also go the other way, like backdoor sweep '12.

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    GSH, I agree with your prescription for defeating the Dubs, but I personally doubt that LMA has much "nasty" to bring. I also wonder how much "nasty" Kawhi has to offer. I love the guy, and his physical assets allow him to beast, but I haven't really seen him bring what I would call "nasty."

    Last night we had the pace where we wanted it for most of the game. If our shooting touch hadn't completely abandoned us, we would have won. If we can continue to dictate that kind of pace, a little "nasty" would probably put us over the top.

    I'm afraid that may be true. But if the Spurs can't be the more physical team, they have to have the perfect game to win. Hard to do that for four games. Somehow, they have to get the Warriors reacting to what they are doing, and not the other way around. I don't know of any other way they can do that. They are going to have to want it more than Golden State. Scratch and claw for 50-50 balls. Make every foul hurt. , flop on those moving screens.

    One more thing - the Spurs' philosophy of "good to great" is fine. But when they work for 18 seconds to get that "great" shot, they need people to have the balls to take it. I'm so tired of watching guys pass up great looks, and then seeing the team take some off-balance, fall-away shot at the buzzer. The team works to get a great shot - you're part of the team - take the ing shot.

    Pop should bring in Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn (maybe John Salley) to talk to the team about the Bad Boys, and what it takes to be that kind of tough. If not, he needs to bring Don Nelson in to consult on helping this offense.

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    I'm still bummed 24 hours later. I despite the Warriors but I'm starting to think we can't beat them, or we won't rather. My only 1% of hope is diaw being the difference maker. But yeah , it's 1%.

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    I'm afraid that may be true. But if the Spurs can't be the more physical team, they have to have the perfect game to win. Hard to do that for four games. Somehow, they have to get the Warriors reacting to what they are doing, and not the other way around. I don't know of any other way they can do that. They are going to have to want it more than Golden State. Scratch and claw for 50-50 balls. Make every foul hurt. , flop on those moving screens.

    One more thing - the Spurs' philosophy of "good to great" is fine. But when they work for 18 seconds to get that "great" shot, they need people to have the balls to take it. I'm so tired of watching guys pass up great looks, and then seeing the team take some off-balance, fall-away shot at the buzzer. The team works to get a great shot - you're part of the team - take the ing shot.

    Pop should bring in Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn (maybe John Salley) to talk to the team about the Bad Boys, and what it takes to be that kind of tough. If not, he needs to bring Don Nelson in to consult on helping this offense.
    I said in the game thread last night that when we play against the Dubs across the board every one of our guys suddenly becomes two inches shorter. We could learn a lot from Laimbeer or Mahhorn or Salley!

    Our judgment is just screwy against the Dubs. The "good to great" mantra does seem to kind of boomerang on us quite a bit. Moreover, focusing on slowing down the game compounds the problem. But playing uptempo is a recipe for disaster against the Dubs. We are struggling to find the optimal balance between taking the good shots whenever they present themselves on the shot clock and working to control tempo. I hope we find it.

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    The Spurs played lock down defense in the first half, then let up in the second half. Two solid quarters in a meaningless game is good enough for me. Wish they'd shot better but oh well.

    Not exactly. The Spurs came out after the half, and went up by 8. They got stops and caused turnovers, and things were looking good. Then this happened:

    Kawhi committed a bad foul, and 5 seconds later, Curry knocked down a 3.
    Kawhi shot and missed a tty turnaround hook shot, and 4 seconds later, Curry knocked down a 3.
    LMA missed a shot, West got the offensive board and tried to force up a shot that got blocked - 5 seconds later, Thompson got a layup.
    Tony threw the ball away, Curry missed a 3, and they let Bogut get an offensive board that he shouldn't have gotten - 5 seconds later, Bogut scored.
    Green missed a 3, Bogut scored on the other end, and that capped off a 12-0 run by Golden State.

    That run was totally fueled by bad offense on the Spurs' end of the floor. The game turned right there. The Warriors had only made one basket on a tip-in by Draymond for the first 3 minutes of the second half, and none of their shooters were in rhythm. That 12-0 run let them start feeling it. It was bad offense that fueled the good offense on the other end.

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    The Spurs played lock down defense in the first half, then let up in the second half. Two solid quarters in a meaningless game is good enough for me. Wish they'd shot better but oh well.
    Pretty much. I think it was good enough for Pop as well. By the time we entered the 4th quarter- tied after Steph's miracle 3rd quarter- Pop went the other direction.

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    I'm afraid that may be true. But if the Spurs can't be the more physical team, they have to have the perfect game to win. Hard to do that for four games. Somehow, they have to get the Warriors reacting to what they are doing, and not the other way around. I don't know of any other way they can do that. They are going to have to want it more than Golden State. Scratch and claw for 50-50 balls. Make every foul hurt. , flop on those moving screens.

    One more thing - the Spurs' philosophy of "good to great" is fine. But when they work for 18 seconds to get that "great" shot, they need people to have the balls to take it. I'm so tired of watching guys pass up great looks, and then seeing the team take some off-balance, fall-away shot at the buzzer. The team works to get a great shot - you're part of the team - take the ing shot.

    Pop should bring in Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn (maybe John Salley) to talk to the team about the Bad Boys, and what it takes to be that kind of tough. If not, he needs to bring Don Nelson in to consult on helping this offense.
    If the Spurs can't be more physical than Curry and the Warriors...then no way they deserve a championship.

    Pop has proven he can get his guys to be more physical, obviously the "nasty" game pops up first, but through both Heat series. I remember, as I'm sure we all can, playoff games where they look instantly more physical on opening tipoff, and end up winning. This has to happen against the Warriors.

    On the topic of Pop experimenting, I hope that is the case in terms of physicality. I am hoping he waits till WCF to tell his team to go ape , not only for surprise factor but possibly he's thinking it would prevent any potential injuries before hand.

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    Pop is not going to get physical with Curry. It's a conflict of interest since he's coaching the Men's team now.

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    Pop should bring in Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn (maybe John Salley) to talk to the team about the Bad Boys, and what it takes to be that kind of tough. If not, he needs to bring Don Nelson in to consult on helping this offense.
    I'm all for playing physical but who on the Spurs really has that mentality outside of David West. You think Laimbeer could really teach LMA,Kawhi,Mills,Parker,Ginobili,Green to be dirty and confrontational. It takes a certain type of person to play like that and the Spurs don't have those type of guys on their roster. In the past Horry,Bowen,Jax,Kwill were those guys.

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    Maybe the Spurs should sign Hibbert for cheap during the offseason.


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    Diaw, Manu, Anderson are key


    ...Sorry, you were serious?

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    Maybe the Spurs should sign Hibbert for cheap during the offseason.

    Just another wussy NBA "fight" tbh.

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    Pop is not going to get physical with Curry. It's pussy bull and only losers do it and only loser fans ask for it.

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    Pop is not going to get physical with Curry. It's a conflict of interest since he's coaching the Men's team now.

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    Not exactly. The Spurs came out after the half, and went up by 8. They got stops and caused turnovers, and things were looking good. Then this happened:

    Kawhi committed a bad foul, and 5 seconds later, Curry knocked down a 3.
    Kawhi shot and missed a tty turnaround hook shot, and 4 seconds later, Curry knocked down a 3.
    LMA missed a shot, West got the offensive board and tried to force up a shot that got blocked - 5 seconds later, Thompson got a layup.
    Tony threw the ball away, Curry missed a 3, and they let Bogut get an offensive board that he shouldn't have gotten - 5 seconds later, Bogut scored.
    Green missed a 3, Bogut scored on the other end, and that capped off a 12-0 run by Golden State.

    That run was totally fueled by bad offense on the Spurs' end of the floor. The game turned right there. The Warriors had only made one basket on a tip-in by Draymond for the first 3 minutes of the second half, and none of their shooters were in rhythm. That 12-0 run let them start feeling it. It was bad offense that fueled the good offense on the other end.
    The Spurs hit some shots for the only time in the entire game and went up by 8. Getting their teeth kicked in after that is the best thing that could have happened. I want them angry and desperate. A content Spurs team has zero chance against what is an amazing Warriors team.

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    We just need to get physical in the right way like battling for position and playing out of our minds on D. Theres a fine line between not letting them punk us inside and hitting them to instill fear. The latter, many times, will backfire plus its plain ol ugly. If a head is in the way of swatting the ball, swat the ball, his head shouldntve been in the way.

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