NBA: Kawhi wins 2016 DPOY

[Killakobe81]

I was already very happy that Kawhi got the award, but all the butthurt in this thread is actually making me even happier

Who is butthurt? Only a few posters had any issues with the Kawhi winning the award.
The guy defends Lebron better than anyone I have ever seen ...for that alone he deserves strong consideration as the DPOTY.

Good for him and if it makes you Spurfans happy then good for y'all too... I guess ...

[daslicer]

They're both good and I don't have any real issues with Kawhi winning it. As a Clipper fan I'm just biased after Kawhi was embarrassed by the Clippers last year, particularly in Game 7 where Kawhi looked like he was just sleep walking. I still vividly remember when Matt Barnes effortlessly cut in front of Kawhi for an easy 2. twice.

I can definitely understand where you are coming from. Just like you are very biased against Kawhi I'm the same way against Draymond since I can't really respect him considering he's allowed to get away with hand checking, grabbing, pulling the jersey on every play. This is the same player that got shat on by Zbo most of the Grizzlies-Warriors series up until the warriors decided to play David Lee. The same player who made Tristan Thompson look like the second coming of Dennis Rodman last year up until the Warriors decided to play David Lee. Also I will be bold and say this is the same player who will get slapped by Blake Griffin in the second round.

[Clipper Nation]

Pretty big leap in time from an award handed out around April 17th-18th to the Finals which start in June ...

Did he disappear for 6 weeks?

Killacurry81 semen-shielding for his new team.

[ambchang]

if u went be advance stats over the raw stats of spg/bpg, how many of the past winners would actually won the award?

Kawhi winning it last year wasn't some type of sin against basketball, but Duncan or Gobert or Bogut should probably have won it.

Noah in 14 was purely advanced stats, same with Gasol the year before.

Chandler, Howard, and Wallace won a few based on reputation.

Camby should never have had one.

Bowen never winning it is a joke, ditto Duncan.

[Horse]

Exactly.

Unless you're blocking shots and getting steals at an alarming rate, which Leonard isn't . Defense in basketball is usually a team effort.

Back to back DPOY awards only solidifies Leonard's status as a system player and will make him look silly when Wardell toys with him again and again during the WCF, as he's been doing all season.

Some DPOY

Do it without illegal screens and refs sucker. Gaymond is , gets away with murder.

[Spurtacular]

Exactly.

Unless you're blocking shots and getting steals at an alarming rate, which Leonard isn't . Defense in basketball is usually a team effort.

Back to back DPOY awards only solidifies Leonard's status as a system player and will make him look silly when Wardell toys with him again and again during the WCF, as he's been doing all season.

Some DPOY

Curry thanking the basketball gods for the gift (slip)

[Killakobe81]

Killacurry81 semen-shielding for his new team.

CNluvs x100, mad because I called him out for a ty take.
you were discussing how it did not motivate him and then brought up how he disappeared 6 weeks later.
Great example of cause and effect.

And do you have any other "burn"beside sides "semen shielding"?
I think you have used up your quota for April ...

[whitemamba]

Should of gone to green imho.

[Kidd K]

I agree but the stat heads love Kiwi ...
And tbh some metrics favor Kiwi others Green...

I do find it interesting that some writers argued Kiwi should get it because he was the leader of a historic level defense ...but I thought metrics were meant to highlight individual contributions and a historic defense would be considered a team accomplishment?

These awards dont mean anyway and no one can argue Green got "robbed". It was close and Kiwi won ...
No issues on my end, but I am not a Dub fan ...I just like their squad

The MVP award is done in the exact same way. If you're on a ty team, how can you be MVP? If one team's defense is NOTICABLY WORSE than another team with the other main DPOY candidate, why do you think they'd deserve the DPOY? It isn't awarded that way. Don't tell me you're one of those people who actually thought mid 30s PPG shot jacker Kobe on those ty Laker teams deserved MVP too?

Spurs were way above GSW in defense, and thus in no way should a GSW player have gotten DPOY. It was not as "close" as GSW riders would have you believe. Hence why Leonard got double the first place votes as Green despite 73 wins and the Spurs losing to them twice at the end of the season AND ending the season on a down note as opposed to GSW ending on a huge up note. . .all padding Green's votes. He -still- barely got half. Because he didn't deserve it over Leonard.

I do think; however, that Duncan getting no DPOY awards in the past and it being a near consensus opinion now among experts that that is a joke is helping Kawhi gain those awards. DPOY used to be a joke award many years that they seemingly just handed to whoever had the most combined BPG and SPG stats. Now they're actually giving it to the most deserving players.

[Killakobe81]

The MVP award is done in the exact same way. If you're on a ty team, how can you be MVP? If one team's defense is NOTICABLY WORSE than another team with the other main DPOY candidate, why do you think they'd deserve the DPOY? It isn't awarded that way. Don't tell me you're one of those people who actually thought mid 30s PPG shot jacker Kobe on those ty Laker teams deserved MVP too?

Spurs were way above GSW in defense, and thus in no way should a GSW player have gotten DPOY. It was not as "close" as GSW riders would have you believe. Hence why Leonard got double the first place votes as Green despite 73 wins and the Spurs losing to them twice at the end of the season AND ending the season on a down note as opposed to GSW ending on a huge up note. . .all padding Green's votes. He -still- barely got half. Because he didn't deserve it over Leonard.

I do think; however, that Duncan getting no DPOY awards in the past and it being a near consensus opinion now among experts that that is a joke is helping Kawhi gain those awards. DPOY used to be a joke award many years that they seemingly just handed to whoever had the most combined BPG and SPG stats. Now they're actually giving it to the most deserving players.

I dont have a huge issue that Kiwi won, just with how they justify the selection. Just say by watching and or using stats you determined that KL was the most deserving ...PERIOD.
I just find using advanced metrics and then following it up with a team based supporting fact ...seems a bit hypocritical.
For me I know it might not be fair to Green but the first Cavs /Spurs game when KL locked up Lebron would have been enough for me to feel he was worthy.
I was a fine defender not a very good shooter so I know defense and KL was very deserving. that game and one of the games vs Durant were epic performances on how to play great scorers.Sure, he got help from a historic team defense but I watched him one on on one even when he had helped and he played those guys flawless and even blocked a couple Durant jumpers ...


all that being said ...just because that is how they vote MVP's doesnt mean it's right ... in fact as you said KL deserved it based on his play and the metrcis. I disagree that the Spurs overall team should be a huge factor.

KL was deserving end of story ... I was just pointing out the irony ..since team accomplishments like rings are dismissed on here.

[Kidd K]

I dont have a huge issue that Kiwi won, just with how they justify the selection. Just say by watching and or using stats you determined that KL was the most deserving ...PERIOD.
I just find using advanced metrics and then following it up with a team based supporting fact ...seems a bit hypocritical.
For me I know it might not be fair to Green but the first Cavs /Spurs game when KL locked up Lebron would have been enough for me to feel he was worthy.
I was a fine defender not a very good shooter so I know defense and KL was very deserving. that game and one of the games vs Durant were epic performances on how to play great scorers.Sure, he got help from a historic team defense but I watched him one on on one even when he had helped and he played those guys flawless and even blocked a couple Durant jumpers ...


all that being said ...just because that is how they vote MVP's doesnt mean it's right ... in fact as you said KL deserved it based on his play and the metrcis. I disagree that the Spurs overall team should be a huge factor.

KL was deserving end of story ... I was just pointing out the irony ..since team accomplishments like rings are dismissed on here.

The team's overall performance is a factor because he's a part of it. The Spurs did not have a "historic team defense" without Kawhi. He's a big reason why it is this year.

Lemme put it this way: Will anyone remember GSW's defense this year? Nope. Meanwhile SA's D is in the record books and Kawhi had the best stats while being the best individual defender on the team.

Green doesn't amaze me on defense. I see a good player but not an outstanding one. If he got DPOY he would be on my all time least deserving of a DPOY list tbh. GSW's offense is very impressive. . .not their D. That's what you have to separate. 73 wins yes, but nowhere near the best defense. It was their offense.

[Killakobe81]

The team's overall performance is a factor because he's a part of it. The Spurs did not have a "historic team defense" without Kawhi. He's a big reason why it is this year.

Lemme put it this way: Will anyone remember GSW's defense this year? Nope. Meanwhile SA's D is in the record books and Kawhi had the best stats while being the best individual defender on the team.

Green doesn't amaze me on defense. I see a good player but not an outstanding one. If he got DPOY he would be on my all time least deserving of a DPOY list tbh. GSW's offense is very impressive. . .not their D. That's what you have to separate. 73 wins yes, but nowhere near the best defense. It was their offense.

Dont disagree.
however in the context of what we have been arguing here ..people have railed against team accomplishments in debating a player's worth versus another.
Again I have no issue with KL winning I may have voted for him too ... especially based on signature defensive games which I mentioned before.
If we are using the well that is how they decide the MVP argument ... then I would say that curry's performance vs spurs/Cavs/OKC/LAC won him that award and ...
KL's ability to lock down Lebron and Durant won it for him ....

I just dont buy the team accomplishment answer. Just say KL was flat out the better defender ..whether it was close or not. And I do think even though KL widened the gap this year by votes I do think it was still close.

But again who cares besides Green and rabid Dubs fans.

Like i said above it's not like Green got robbed or KL should be unanimous. I think the voting was fair indication that KL was better but it wasnt some mile wide gap.

[Tully365]

Kawhi winning it last year wasn't some type of sin against basketball, but Duncan or Gobert or Bogut should probably have won it.

Noah in 14 was purely advanced stats, same with Gasol the year before.

Chandler, Howard, and Wallace won a few based on reputation.

Camby should never have had one.

Bowen never winning it is a joke, ditto Duncan.

I've always thought Bowen not winning one was probably based on some voters agreeing that he stuck his foot under shooters on purpose... that was the constant complaint from Ray Allen & others, and I think it swayed some people away from a Bowen vote. Camby was lucky to be in the pre-advanced stat era, otherwise Duncan definitely would have won at least one.

[DJR210]

[Reck]

This is going to make some asses sore up in here.

[baseline bum]

I thought Green deserved it more. He was the heart of that 73 win GS team..

Holy , it wasn't the guy who hit 400 threes and that no one in the league can guard?

[Chris]

I've always thought Bowen not winning one was probably based on some voters agreeing that he stuck his foot under shooters on purpose... that was the constant complaint from Ray Allen & others, and I think it swayed some people away from a Bowen vote. Camby was lucky to be in the pre-advanced stat era, otherwise Duncan definitely would have won at least one.

Camby was really good at blocking shots on the help side. Duncan was really good at blocking shots in any situation. Duncan and Bowen both got robbed imo

[DMC]

I dont have a huge issue that Kiwi won, just with how they justify the selection. Just say by watching and or using stats you determined that KL was the most deserving ...PERIOD.
I just find using advanced metrics and then following it up with a team based supporting fact ...seems a bit hypocritical.
For me I know it might not be fair to Green but the first Cavs /Spurs game when KL locked up Lebron would have been enough for me to feel he was worthy.
I was a fine defender not a very good shooter so I know defense and KL was very deserving. that game and one of the games vs Durant were epic performances on how to play great scorers.Sure, he got help from a historic team defense but I watched him one on on one even when he had helped and he played those guys flawless and even blocked a couple Durant jumpers ...


all that being said ...just because that is how they vote MVP's doesnt mean it's right ... in fact as you said KL deserved it based on his play and the metrcis. I disagree that the Spurs overall team should be a huge factor.

KL was deserving end of story ... I was just pointing out the irony ..since team accomplishments like rings are dismissed on here.

You're the most butthurt got on this forum. You get BHFOY award. Debate it.

[Reck]

Holy , it wasn't the guy who hit 400 threes and that no one in the league can guard?

in before: But...but Barnes took his cookie arguement.

[Arcadian]

Haha _raymond, you.

Now we know why he has a gaping -recepticle where a mouth should be: he keeps getting face ed by Kawhi.

[Stevie Johnson]

Haha _raymond, you.

Now we know why he has a gaping -recepticle where a mouth should be: he keeps getting face ed by Kawhi.

You have the gene for being a got. Don't procreate

[Chris]

The greatest defender of the new generation getting acknowledged for such

[Stalin]

Well deserved.

[Killakobe81]

The greatest defender of the new generation getting acknowledged for such

Cant argue tbh

[Arcadian]

You have the gene for being a got. Don't procreate

Statistics show that dumber people procreate more, and smarter people procreate less. That's why the world is so ed up, man.