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    They do eventually.
    But it would be smart to wait for a Superfriends level team-up rather than blowing max money on those guys.
    I still argue despite his flaws... the best use of resources is throwing the sink at Barnes. Sure, they could match and if they do their team will be locked as is and they will probably lose guys and have to replace them with ring chasers which can doesn't always work. Plus the Curry extension looms.

    Barnes still has upside and even if he never realizes his full potential he can shoot and defend. if you keep the pick you can always trade Randle if you lose the pick Barnes Randle Clarkson and Druss is not bad core. Clarkson need to be a combo backup guard and Randle probably cant be a starter longterm until he improves his jumper.

    Bottomline chasing big money free agents not named durant/LeBron/Westbrook is silly to me.
    Aldridge is one of the few not super duper star FA's that has (so far) proved to be worth signing to a max.

    Lakers need defenders in the worst way.
    Do you think that tv deal will allow them to be patient?

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    Do you think that tv deal will allow them to be patient?
    yeah i do, especially if they get ingram or simmons in this draft

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    To be fair to Stephen A, he did say before LeBron left Cleveland he was going to Miami, then predicted he would leave to go home when absolutely no one said LeBron would leave another team. So it's not like he doesn't hear players talk.
    Tbh he also gets made fun of rather often for never going to games or being in any clubhouses, yet always has random "hearsay". He did guess the LeBron thing right, but blind mice find cheese sometimes too. Not as bad as Brou but he flings bull a lot too.

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    They do eventually.
    But it would be smart to wait for a Superfriends level team-up rather than blowing max money on those guys.
    I still argue despite his flaws... the best use of resources is throwing the sink at Barnes. Sure, they could match and if they do their team will be locked as is and they will probably lose guys and have to replace them with ring chasers which can doesn't always work. Plus the Curry extension looms.

    Barnes still has upside and even if he never realizes his full potential he can shoot and defend. if you keep the pick you can always trade Randle if you lose the pick Barnes Randle Clarkson and Druss is not bad core. Clarkson need to be a combo backup guard and Randle probably cant be a starter longterm until he improves his jumper.

    Bottomline chasing big money free agents not named durant/LeBron/Westbrook is silly to me.
    Aldridge is one of the few not super duper star FA's that has (so far) proved to be worth signing to a max.

    Lakers need defenders in the worst way.
    I personally don't disagree but you can't discount the embarrassment factor & Kobe factor. Lakers seem embarrassed. They know this is by far the lowest point in their proud franchise history. People only put up with losing so long. That's where the Kobe factor came in. They could sell the bull ketchup Popsicles to Kobe fans while he was there - they would still pay to see him play & even believed he could lead them to the playoffs. He's gone now and what's left for fans to pay for?

    Based on that and Mitch's comments I believe the pressure is too great to ignore. They will swing hard now for whomever they can get. We will just see if they have the juice to pull a top tier FA like Durant.

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    Deeps and Djohn both bring up great points ...no lie.
    I truly hope we do not make a panic move to satisfy TWC or spoiled Lakerfans.
    This sucks. It really and truly sucks to be iin the lotto for 3 straight years ...

    But I would rather save cap space then overpay every guy we have chased save maybe Aldridge.
    Dwight ...
    Melo ...
    Greg monroe?!!

    how would any of them made us any better off/ we win 27-30 instead of 17-20?!

    I worry DD and Whiteside will be our Parson and wesley Matthews without our Dirk to even make it easier to swallow (that's what she said) ...

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    Deeps and Djohn both bring up great points ...no lie.
    I truly hope we do not make a panic move to satisfy TWC or spoiled Lakerfans.
    This sucks. It really and truly sucks to be iin the lotto for 3 straight years ...

    But I would rather save cap space then overpay every guy we have chased save maybe Aldridge.
    Dwight ...
    Melo ...
    Greg monroe?!!

    how would any of them made us any better off/ we win 27-30 instead of 17-20?!

    I worry DD and Whiteside will be our Parson and wesley Matthews without our Dirk to even make it easier to swallow (that's what she said) ...
    I think there are only 3 guys worth a max. KD, Curry, and LeBron.

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    I think there are only 3 guys worth a max. KD, Curry, and LeBron.
    I have been arguing that for 3 years tbh.
    I did not have Curry on that list 3 years ago but agree with his inclusion.
    I would strongly consder adding Kiwi as the 4th ...

    Deandre, Kobe, Hayward, Harden, wall etc. pretty much every max deal signed in the past 5 years none desrve that kind of scratch but these dumb ass owners will pay it ...

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    I think there are only 3 guys worth a max. KD, Curry, and LeBron.

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    I have been arguing that for 3 years tbh.
    I did not have Curry on that list 3 years ago but agree with his inclusion.
    I would strongly consder adding Kiwi as the 4th ...

    Deandre, Kobe, Hayward, Harden, wall etc. pretty much every max deal signed in the past 5 years none desrve that kind of scratch but these dumb ass owners will pay it ...
    Kawhi has got to show up against GS to justify that contract.

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    Kawhi has got to show up against GS to justify that contract.
    Kawhi has already justified it. He is making nothing compared to what the new guys next year will make. DPOY and his stats in the regular season more than justify his pay check. If he leads them to a WCF he will be under paid especially after the next round of deals is handed out.

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    So there's the rub. We all know there are only a handful of guys that are worth "max". My definition of a max guy is that by himself, he can keep you in a playoff hunt and if you give him talent he can take you to a finals.

    But if there are only 5-7 guys like that, then that leaves most teas having to build around someone else. You can't just wait forever. Lakers, if they can't pull a top 5 guys, will have to build like a BOS is building. Get a bunch of good guys vs 2 Max Guys.

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    Kawhi has already justified it. He is making nothing compared to what the new guys next year will make. DPOY and his stats in the regular season more than justify his pay check. If he leads them to a WCF he will be under paid especially after the next round of deals is handed out.
    He has been a no show against the best team in the NBA for the past few games. 94 million and you don't show up against GS? Winning DPOY is great, that's a regular season award. What use is it if he disappears against Curry in the playoffs?

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    He has been a no show against the best team in the NBA for the past few games. 94 million and you don't show up against GS? Winning DPOY is great, what use is it if he disappears against Curry?
    1. It's a small sample size you are referencing.

    2. He's a finals MVP & now 2x DPOY. So that alone totally justifies being maxed out when you are a 24 year old.

    3. He also has been to 3 WCF, 2 Finals and like I said, won one of them.

    The fact he's struggled some against what may go down as the best team of all time does not mean he's not worth the max. By that logic, no one but Curry is worth the max.

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    1. It's a small sample size you are referencing.

    2. He's a finals MVP & now 2x DPOY. So that alone totally justifies being maxed out when you are a 24 year old.

    3. He also has been to 3 WCF, 2 Finals and like I said, won one of them.

    The fact he's struggled some against what may go down as the best team of all time does not mean he's not worth the max. By that logic, no one but Curry is worth the max.
    And that's fine. I'm asking, if you are paid nearly 100 million, shouldn't you be expected to lead your team as the go to guy, at least to the WCF rather than being underpaid if he does so? That kind of money should lead to more expectations.

    At the same time I agree about the new contracts making this max look miniscule.

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    And that's fine. I'm asking, if you are paid nearly 100 million, shouldn't you be expected to lead your team as the go to guy, at least to the WCF rather than being underpaid if he does so? That kind of money should lead to more expectations.

    At the same time I agree about the new contracts making this max look miniscule.
    I wouldn't say it's unreasonable to expect a max guy to lead you there, but it's rare. Look at how many max guys have not even done that let alone won a finals MVP/DPOY. I think making the WCF is a huge accomplishment and if a guy can do that multiple times, yeah, I think he's probably underpaid (in the context of Kawhi's deal vs the new max coming up).

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    I wouldn't say it's unreasonable to expect a max guy to lead you there, but it's rare. Look at how many max guys have not even done that let alone won a finals MVP/DPOY. I think making the WCF is a huge accomplishment and if a guy can do that multiple times, yeah, I think he's probably underpaid (in the context of Kawhi's deal vs the new max coming up).
    Agree. I'm Curious about this new max guys are going to get, how much it will be.

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    I think there are only 3 guys worth a max. KD, Curry, and LeBron.
    That's insane. Those players are worth at least 50% more than the max. There are lots of players worth the current max $15-$22 million right now. You're going to have a ton of max players when the league caps contracts at say the Kevin Love level of market value.

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    Please let this be true.

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    That's insane. Those players are worth at least 50% more than the max. There are lots of players worth the current max $15-$22 million right now. You're going to have a ton of max players when the league caps contracts at say the Kevin Love level of market value.
    I meant the new max which will probably be at least 30 million a year? But yeah, those are the players who I would trust to start a franchise with.

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    I meant the new max which will probably be at least 30 million a year? But yeah, those are the players who I would trust to start a franchise with.
    The new max won't be market value either for those guys. Under the new TV deal Curry would be a $50 million a year player easily like Jordan was a $40 million (inflation adjusted) player in 1998, the year before max contracts came into the collective bargaining agreement.

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    And Leonard at $16 million a season is an enormous bargain under the new tv deal. even Aldrdige at $20 million is a great deal considering how expensive contracts are about to get.

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    Deeps and Djohn both bring up great points ...no lie.
    I truly hope we do not make a panic move to satisfy TWC or spoiled Lakerfans.
    This sucks. It really and truly sucks to be iin the lotto for 3 straight years ...

    But I would rather save cap space then overpay every guy we have chased save maybe Aldridge.
    Dwight ...
    Melo ...
    Greg monroe?!!

    how would any of them made us any better off/ we win 27-30 instead of 17-20?!

    I worry DD and Whiteside will be our Parson and wesley Matthews without our Dirk to even make it easier to swallow (that's what she said) ...
    At some point you gotta stop worrying about Cap space and start spending...you gonna around and be 60 yrs old still talking about Cap space

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    At some point you gotta stop worrying about Cap space and start spending...you gonna around and be 60 yrs old still talking about Cap space
    Yes but spend it on the right players, Kool not just sign players to look good. Dont mistake being active in free agency with being a organization with a clue ...

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    Yes but spend it on the right players, Kool not just sign players to look good. Dont mistake being active in free agency with being a organization with a clue ...
    You gotta go big or you gotta go home..we have to swing for the home run again...because the way the NBA works you can't be successful in a serial or linear fashion...it has to be a parallel operation....for example let's say you be prudent and sign " the right" player....then you have to be bad or mediocre until the next "right" player comes along...till it ends up being a perpetual state of mediocrity...you sign this guy wait...lose he gets injured or old and you sign the next guy to the ideal contract....I say all that ...grow some hairy balls go for it all....thats my philosophy

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    Kawhi has already justified it. He is making nothing compared to what the new guys next year will make. DPOY and his stats in the regular season more than justify his pay check. If he leads them to a WCF he will be under paid especially after the next round of deals is handed out.

    You're worse than a 60 yr old pot- bellied guy in a steakhouse with no dentures trying to eat a steak....He just signed his max contract numnuts....he has done nothing to justify it except chew on his tongue that's operated by the remote button on his head...and Ohh yeah get his pushed in by the Sous Chef

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