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So you think the Spurs will get closed out at home? Nah
They won 67 games with historic defense tbh
So you think the Spurs will get closed out at home? Nah
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I do like that lineup. I'm excited to see how much pop plays it and how effective it is against tougher compe ion
Agreed. Can't win em all
That too. They won with an all-time great frontline.
ElNono gonna love you. But seriously, they won 67 games on the strength of their home record and because the league was historically bad.
Yeah im just not confident at all against golden state. I think we're in over our head but I'm enjoying the ride! I know we probably won't win this year but it's fine I'm mentally prepared for it.
The BG is gone & not coming back with this team. That's ok, all year they won with defense and for most of the year still had a top offensive team by all metrics. They still rack up assists and play unselfishly but the system is no longer try free flowing, crazy cutting offense.
The defense is great and if the Spurs can just hit open looks then they have a shot. The offense has struggled lately but showing signs of life. Should still create a good amount of open looks which is all you can ask for. Make shots.
Yeah im just not confident at all against golden state. I think we're in over our head but I'm enjoying the ride! I know we probably won't win this year but it's fine I'm mentally prepared for it.
I give them about a 40% chance with Curry playing, 80-90% chance without curry
They're dangerous when Kyrie is firing on all cylinders
Well I'm trusting that Pop has another set of cards up his sleeve. Defense has been really stingy, but the offense is not impressive.
Why do you think that is? The lack of movement without the ball just drives me crazy at times. Worse is when guys aren't making good hard cuts. It's hard to believe that Pop would put up with them just being lazy. Do you think it's because they're expending so much energy on the defensive end?
The old saying is that when you want to slow down a great offensive player, you make him play defense. So if the Spurs are focusing on playing defense, does it have this much effect on their offense? The offense still uncorks for stretches, and the bench seems to bring a lot more energy and movement when they come in. But the starters drag on offense while holding opponents to crazy-low scoring output. Maybe you just can't have it both ways.
Post ups and Boris 1.9
I think there are moments of lack of effort/hard cutting, but that is just very one off. I really think it's boiled down to the new offense. There's not room nor the same lanes to cut consistently like there was with the beautiful game. With guys operating out of the elbow and defenses now geared in position to stop that angle of attack, you get heavy strong side/weak side layouts that aren't nearly as conducive to swings of the ball and heavy motion .
Sure, there are times where cutting harder helps, but I don't think that is the "problem". I think it's more scheme and what's open now vs the then with the very, very different offenses.
The Spurs own game plan has shrunk the court. Look no further than the massive drop in the percentage of shots from 3 compared to before and the huge uptick (to the tune of the Spurs being number one in the league in % of shots from mid-range) in mid-range shots.
With the old offense not being so ISO-initiated heavy (less PnR now & less drive and kick now) and coming from different spots, the game was more spread out (all the way across the court & to the 3PT line). With that much space & the defense spread, it's easier and more open to cut/pick and drive/kick.
Those lanes just aren't there now and everyone is mostly inside the 3PT line, and weighting sides of the floor vs being a more even spread.
I don't know all of the terminology but that's what I visually see.
We just don't have "moving" personnel anymore. . Tim and LMA are not movers. Kawhi is an ISO, dribble guy. Parker rarely does anything "without" the ball...sits in corner. Danny Green stands at 3 point line. If Parker were more a facilitator/passing guard, I think we'd get some more movement. But, Parker is either trying to get his own shot off now, or just doing basically nothing. Parker is actually killing us in this area.
I don't like watching the new game we have either. I miss the beautiful game a lot. But, it ain't suited to LMA and Kawhi. Kawhi is not a pick and pop kinda guy or a driver. He likes to dribble and make moves. Just different personnel. For this reason, I actually like watching the 2nd unit, when they are on a roll, over the 1st unit.
Oh, and I forgot the most important aspect of our "beautiful game." Manu Ginobili. He, more than anyone else on our team, was responsible for it. As Manu goes, so does the BG.
The clunky offense and scoring droughts are discouraging. We should be better at this point.
I'm defense first, so that has kept most of my focus throughout the season and I haven't thought too much about the offense, but really, I was expecting the offense to come together late in the season. I really did think it would be fine tuned at this point of the season and peaking going into the playoffs. I was more worried about a drop off in defense when the offense started to get rolling. Maybe the resting has played a part in it being so disjointed and also Pop not wanting to show many of his cards with the number 2 seed being locked up so early towards the end of the season.
I don't know the reason/s, but what I do know is that the offense needs to start being better and the defense needs to be the constant we build everything off of if we're going to have a chance going forward.
The analysts all say that the Warriors can play the spurs style (slow and grind it out) along with their own fast paced style but the spurs can't play the warriors style which is what differentiates them.
You never know which Spurs team is going to show up. If they play as well as they can, I'd give them a better than 50% chance to beat a healthy Warriors team, but lately it's been spotty and the old grey mule just aint what she used to be.
I think you have said it quite well, tbh. The iso-heavy post-up offensive set that we have gone with this year really slows down the movement off the ball, and clogs the lanes for any potential cutting, so there is not much point in the guys doing any hard cutting. This year's offensive set for the SL matches the skills of the two main scorers, and I'm sure that is why they do it, but all of us breathe a sigh of relief when the second unit comes in and plays the old style offensive sets. Some folks believe that our enjoyment of the second unit means they should be the starters, but if they played the same way the SL offense is set up this year, they would have the same result.
Agreed, and the good news is that despite it not looking visually appealing like the BG, it was a top 5 offense for the entire year. It was producing very efficient, high percentage looks. What changed is TP's level of play & shooting. Spurs, for the most part (especially against GS) were still generating more uncontested looks than they were giving up.
They simply had too many guys missing good looks. The defense stayed strong, but with Patty/Manu/Danny all slumping from 3 and then mid-range shots not falling, it started to look really bad.
I am cautiously optimistic in looking at the series. I wasn't thrilled the first 3 games (outside of the 2nd half of game 1) with the offense. I was pretty worried. But they came out focused, played engaged defense & did what they had to do to maximize their chances to win round 2.
Then the offense in game 4 looked much better.
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In one of the in game interviews in the last game Pop said he wasn't worried about our defense but he wanted to see better pace, sharper cuts, and better offensive execution. Manu being the honest player he is, said they need this too, that they hadn't been that sharp, they were for a few minutes but didn't sustain it. They had too many TO in a couple of the games so the defensive pressure did get to them.
It's not the BG, but I don't think they are meant to struggle so much either.
The bench has better passing bc they only have one Iso player in Boris and he likes to pass out of iso anyways. They need to screen for each other and pass to score.
did we see this lineup once against OKC
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