what is this crap about manu and duncan not sure about retiring?? they need to go

[Keepin' it real]

Duncan made this team what it is. He goes out on his own terms.

Like Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden? Those reigns ended well.

There is such a thing as overstaying your welcome, even for an iconic legend.

[Mikeanaro]

OP needs to go too, tbh.

[Keepin' it real]

Absolutely it's championship or nothing... why else play?

Wow, are people really that stupid?

Then it's going to suck for you being a fan. 1 team wins the le every year, and our once in a generation player is on the way out. Since Jordan retired the only people that won rings have been pretty much, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan and Lebron. Now Curry is joining the party. look at all the great players in Jordan's era that never won a single le. Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Miller. The Spurs are going to be in a bit of a transition mode here, in the next 2-3 years. Leonard will be the man, if he stays healthy and they will keep trying to build around him. Now do I expect them to win a le in the next 2-3 years? I don't. Why because Tim Duncan is finally leaving, and building around a player that helps you win 5 rings, just doesn't happen. But I will keep cheering and supporting the team even without rings as the next era is ushered in..

Good to hear a sane voice in the madness.

[RD2191]

Championship or bust. We aren't a scrub organization. If you're okay with getting bounced in the 2nd round then go root for the ing 76ers because if you don't win it all then you might as well not even make the playoffs.

[coachmac87]

OP is top 5 on this forum. Anybody who disrespects and trolls HOF players to stroke their "internet ego" is the definition of a LOSER...

[Spurtacular]

Love em. But we can't have these corpses taking up roster spots and ing up our season again. They need to go.

If they don't retire, ill become an OKC Thunder fan. You've been warned.

Let's cut out the middle man; get the steppin.

[TheGoldStandard]

Championship or bust. We aren't a scrub organization. If you're okay with getting bounced in the 2nd round then go root for the ing 76ers because if you don't win it all then you might as well not even make the playoffs.

These are probably the same people that are okay with giving out trophies for participating..

[InRareForm]

Disrespectful.

[TheGoldStandard]

Then it's going to suck for you being a fan. 1 team wins the le every year, and our once in a generation player is on the way out. Since Jordan retired the only people that won rings have been pretty much, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan and Lebron. Now Curry is joining the party. look at all the great players in Jordan's era that never won a single le. Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Miller. The Spurs are going to be in a bit of a transition mode here, in the next 2-3 years. Leonard will be the man, if he stays healthy and they will keep trying to build around him. Now do I expect them to win a le in the next 2-3 years? I don't. Why because Tim Duncan is finally leaving, and building around a player that helps you win 5 rings, just doesn't happen. But I will keep cheering and supporting the team even without rings as the next era is ushered in..

Nope, won't suck for me being a fan because I support the team not just the players. When I fly a flag on my car its now the San Antonio Duncan's or the Manu Spurs.. Nope, I was a fan when Robinson was around and we would get bounced in the 2nd round or the 3rd and hope that we would one day have a team that could compete. Tim Duncan was a godsend, once in a generation kind of player who was selfless who should probably have 6 or 7 rings had a few things worked out differently. The thing is Robinson knew when he was done being useful at least to his health and to the team and he walked away and the Spurs survived.

Kawhi Leonard is 24 years old and already in an MVP conversation and will only get better barring any injury. The Spurs need to realize that the sooner they start building around him the better there chances are that they don't fall off the map. It'll be a hard 2-3 years before they are contending for les but sticking with a 40 year old guy with no knees, and a 38 year old guy who is the first off the bench is a recipe for continued failure. It's time to stop coddling young players and play them and let them develop and get coached up.

What really bums me out hearing too is when players were saying, "We were trying to win it for Tim" really??? how about trying to just win it for yourself.. once they get past all that nostalgia of trying to do it for another guy maybe they'll try to do it for themselves and be engaged.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'd still take even the hobbling Duncan as a backup over Splitter most nights.

What I don't want is him and Manu being in the same HOF class as Kobe. We already had to endure MJ going in with the Admiral. At least MJ was legit. Watching Tim's speech be the opening act for KB would be an insult.

[houston spurs fan]

I'd still take even the hobbling Duncan as a backup over Splitter most nights.

What I don't want is him and Manu being in the same HOF class as Kobe. We already had to endure MJ going in with the Admiral. At least MJ was legit. Watching Tim's speech be the opening act for KB would be an insult.

This. Couldn't agree more

[HankChinaski]

Duncan can do a lot of good in a first off the bench big role.
Manu had moments through out the season but he can't provide 20mins a game solidly any more at the current NBA level.

[urunobili]

As inactive player
On a Bonner like Role eating bench, Manu would be way better than almost any other option for the corporate knowledge he'd bring...

[TheGoldStandard]

Duncan can do a lot of good in a first off the bench big role.
Manu had moments through out the season but he can't provide 20mins a game solidly any more at the current NBA level.

A lot of good for the other team trying to catch up or take a lead. 40 year old legends with 2 bad knees are not worth the trouble. Plus it will be heartbreaking to see a whole 82 games of a s drag themselves up the court.

[MVPCues]

Then it's going to suck for you being a fan. 1 team wins the le every year, and our once in a generation player is on the way out. Since Jordan retired the only people that won rings have been pretty much, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan and Lebron. Now Curry is joining the party. look at all the great players in Jordan's era that never won a single le. Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Miller. The Spurs are going to be in a bit of a transition mode here, in the next 2-3 years. Leonard will be the man, if he stays healthy and they will keep trying to build around him. Now do I expect them to win a le in the next 2-3 years? I don't. Why because Tim Duncan is finally leaving, and building around a player that helps you win 5 rings, just doesn't happen. But I will keep cheering and supporting the team even without rings as the next era is ushered in..

Right. Peeps think spurs should win every year or else pop is purposely losing or the players are gutless worms. There is a very good chance the drought is coming.

I think Tim and Manu should do whatever the they want. If they do come back, I do think Timmy, Manu, and Tony should all come off the bench together. The question is can enough fat trimmed to have enough cap to grab a starting center and point guard that will complement kawhi and LMA.

[MVPCues]

sorry, dp....

[TheGoldStandard]

Right. Peeps think spurs should win every year or else pop is purposely losing or the players are gutless worms. There is a very good chance the drought is coming.

I think Tim and Manu should do whatever the they want. If they do come back, I do think Timmy, Manu, and Tony should all come off the bench together. The question is can enough fat trimmed to have enough cap to grab a starting center and point guard that will complement kawhi and LMA.

To answer your question, nope.. because you'd still have to pay the Tim and Manu and you really think they'll just hit them with the vet minimum 1.5M next season and tell them to sit at the end of the bench? They're only coming back if they feel like they can contribute, play and ultimately win a championship. No way a 38 and 40 year old legend is going to get out of bed with aspirations to get bounced in the 2nd round. And the only way this team stays compe ive is if they go young and stay young.

Plus the spurs are notorious for overpaying their players out of loyalty. They probably eat up 7 or 8 mil between them.

And yeah.. peeps do think that the Spurs should win every year because I'm sure the players feel that way.. They don't go into a season going, welp I hope we can make the playoffs.. that's not the mentality of the Spurs after so many years of success and that breeds expectations of the fans.

[T_L_P]

At this point it's not like the Spurs should give them an option. RC sits down with them and says, "Look, we gave it a good shot for the last 2 seasons after the championship but it's time to get younger and free up cap space." Then RC calls Pop into his office and tells the lazy to shave his beard and get ready to actually coach players that need it.

Manu and Tim have jobs for life in the front office or on the bench as assistants

He should be sitting Tony down then.

Who can we bring in for ~$5 million to replace what Tim brings? With today's cap that's Spencer Hawes money.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'll take 'em in a Bonner/Kevin Martin role.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

ppl are really underrating the level of Duncan and Manu this season.

They're big part of why we almost had the biggest point differential in NBA history and at different times was very close to being the favorite to the le even in a league with GS.

This series, where we scored more points and led more than OKC, wasn't on them but mostly Pop not adjusting to our weak points vs their weak points.

We need tweaks. Not a revolution.

Generally Pop and assistants needs to re-discover the offensive side of the floor. It can't be stressed enough that defense or rebounding wasn't the problem but our freaking stagnant no spacing offense with warning signs throughout the season from the starters unable to do anything decent and it was the bench coming in moving the ball and playing winning offense.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

The weaknesses are one of the worst starting point guards in the league. Maybe the worst?

+ probably not the best big-man makeup. Alone removing David West or getting someone more mobile than either West or Boban would help a lot.

Kyle if he doesn't develop a shot is a worry for the coming bench years. Bench needs one more shooter for certain. But personally I think playing and developing Simmons over him would solve a lot.

[kaji157]

I think if they come back on very diminished roles they shouldn't affect the performance of the team. This season they have been useful, to start the season they carried a lot of load while LA was getting used to the team`s chemistry.
We are not blaming the elimination on Bonner or Simmons are Tim and Manu can perfectly fill that spot on the roster and act also as captains and mentors, and i think it will be an OK thing to do because you dont want Parker as the team flag captain...
Clearly our biggest concern should be to find a way to either Unload Parker or find a role for him on the bench or whatever way we can find to get something out of those 15 million dollars, and also to get a Point Guard that can compete with the starting PG of the league.

[TheGoldStandard]

He should be sitting Tony down then.

Who can we bring in for ~$5 million to replace what Tim brings? With today's cap that's Spencer Hawes money.

You bring over the big serb they drafted last season and let him get acclimated to the NBA and to Kawhi. There were a number of PF/C in last years draft that they could have also went with if they needed someone to be prepared sooner rather than later. I'd rather go with someone who might average 5 and 5 but knowing they'll potentially get better the following season rather than regress to nothing.

, scour the D League and find a diamond in the rough like Whiteside because RC has an eye for talent too right?

[TheGreatYacht]

Tim can stay however long he wants, he's earned it.

Manu can gtfo though

[spurs10]

I'd still take even the hobbling Duncan as a backup over Splitter most nights.

What I don't want is him and Manu being in the same HOF class as Kobe. We already had to endure MJ going in with the Admiral. At least MJ was legit. Watching Tim's speech be the opening act for KB would be an insult.

I actually think will be a great back up and can help greatly with getting whoever comes in acclimated and focused. Same with Manu. Both those guys were pretty damn great this season. The question in money and both are guaranteed pretty small deals considering who they are.

Now that being said, I'm sure the Spurs are going to approach the next season with a 'how to win it all at ude.' I think it's very possible if they can get some players to gradually take the place of the Big and possibly have TP take Manu's place at 6th man. It will be harder to find a PG that is ready to take TP's place. Tony was one of the top scoring PG's in the league.

I'm not really concerned about the HOF, but think a low key and unspoken farewell tour would be a much better way to say goodbye. That last game in OKC was a real downer of a farewell game. Manu should come back if only to get that nightmare out of his head.