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    No Manu and no Tim= first round exit. Mark it

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    No Manu and no Tim= first round exit. Mark it
    Hey this guy has a crystal ball! He can tell the future! Amazing!

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    The spurs have a problem.... Drafting in the 20s and 40s year after year gets you projects and bench players.... Even doing fairly well with it will leave you flaws and a dearth of starting material players.... When the all time great players that got you there decline a d retire your draft picks go up and you get new blood to replace them.... The spurs lucked into a mid first round pick being a legit top 10 player in the league and then got a top tier big in Aldridge.... Even surrounded by replacement level players those two would be a 4 or 5 seed most years. This trashes future drafting. Get a few project players the next 2 years in the draft and some mid level exception talent to fill the roster and in 3 Yeats you have a legit contender, meanwhile you are treading water as a dark horse hoping injuries and breaks come your way...

    It can be argued that in order to be a legit year in year out contender you need 2 half of fame level players near their primes.... The jury is still out on this team having even 1 in their prime.

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    A washing machine could replace Manu. The Spurs need to find some kind of replacement because he's no longer the glue that holds the second unit together. Whether it's finding a starter to replace Parker while having TP come off the bench or finding a Manu replacement for the second unit, the Spurs are second round fodder if they need to rely on Manu's playmaking to win games.
    To be fair, il castrato was that glue guy until Ryan Anderson's wrath layed on his balls.

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    No Manu and no Tim= first round exit. Mark it
    Like yes Tim and yes Manu exit vs Clippers?

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    No... nobody has though about this.

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    No Manu and no Tim= first round exit. Mark it
    Disagree they don't tip the scales at this point. Grizzlies series was a gimme and not on them. Both unable to tip the scales in the second series. Appreciation for them is blinding you. A difference maker is going to have to be a FA.

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    i agree if they leave it would be good in the sense it would help our team move on and form an iden y for the future instead of holding on to the past...but duncan would make 5.6 million and manu, 2.4 million next year. WHO WOULD WE RELACE THEM WITH FOR THAT MONEY. You can't even sign 1 good player for that money next year with the cap increasing...You lose not only on court production (especially from tim) but on court/off court LEADERSHIP. that locker room will feel so empty when tim leaves. I think spurs are in a though position...
    I am not sure where you got those numbers from but Duncan is scheduled to make almost $6.4 while Manu is going to make $2.9.

    that is 9.3 between them. If the cap hits 92 million, Duncan retires and Diaw is moved for no returning player then they Spurs could have around $17 million in cap.

    Duncan and Manu are my favorites but I would like Duncan to retire. I am anxious for the next chapter of the team to begin and if Duncan returns that would make it more difficult to improve the team.

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    we can't get better players than Tim and Manu for similar money.

    A lot of people here want an excellent team to get a lot worse it seems.

    i agree, i didn't start this tread bc i want them to come back, my point was we are in an apparent no win situation, i guess at some point you have to bite the bullet instead of passing the problem to next year

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    I am not sure where you got those numbers from but Duncan is scheduled to make almost $6.4 while Manu is going to make $2.9.

    that is 9.3 between them. If the cap hits 92 million, Duncan retires and Diaw is moved for no returning player then they Spurs could have around $17 million in cap.

    Duncan and Manu are my favorites but I would like Duncan to retire. I am anxious for the next chapter of the team to begin and if Duncan returns that would make it more difficult to improve the team.
    sure 9.3 is the actually cap hit...you know what players make around 6.4 million next year? jonas drebko and derrick william and spencer hawes....

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    Kobe scored 60 in his final game but still had the worst shooting percentage in the league.
    you know that wasn't even a real game...both teams were out of the playoffs and just wanted to a put a show on...kobe shot 50 times in that game...duncan playing in the playoffs vs the thunder is completely a different ballgame. How does kobe have any thing to do with duncans +/-

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    was manu really good though this year?

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    Manu had an excellent start to the season but his numbers dropped off following returning from surgery. Duncan look like he lost his legs late in the year like West. It is weird to see Duncan miss around the rim, he is usually excellent at finishing there.

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    Manu had an excellent start to the season but his numbers dropped off following returning from surgery. Duncan look like he lost his legs late in the year like West. It is weird to see Duncan miss around the rim, he is usually excellent at finishing there.
    i think the nail in the coffin is duncan has been balling all these year one one good right knee, i believe finally this year that right knee game out. He finally started wearing two knee braces

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    Really need to restrict thread-starting privileges.
    B-b-but that's one of the things that makes spurstalk so much better than other sites. That plus the fact that everyone can be racist, misogynistic, phobic, etc., with no repercussions.


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    i agree if they leave it would be good in the sense it would help our team move on and form an iden y for the future instead of holding on to the past...but duncan would make 5.6 million and manu, 2.4 million next year. WHO WOULD WE RELACE THEM WITH FOR THAT MONEY. You can't even sign 1 good player for that money next year with the cap increasing...You lose not only on court production (especially from tim) but on court/off court LEADERSHIP. that locker room will feel so empty when tim leaves. I think spurs are in a though position...
    I agree in that i donīt think that in next yearīs market you would be able to get anything that really provides more than them for their value.

    Spurs best chance is to roll with them one more year if they want to.

    7 millions wonīt be that much in a marker with a lot of teams with space and very few stars.

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    sure 9.3 is the actually cap hit...you know what players make around 6.4 million next year? jonas drebko and derrick william and spencer hawes....
    I am not saying that Duncan is not valuable, he is a great rim protector and rebounder and is an excellent passer among other things but he is tying up cap space and seems to be declining rapidly. I would not be opposed to him coming back but I am prepare for him to retire.

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    yo How does kobe have any thing to do with duncans +/-
    Ever heard of an aberration?

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    sure 9.3 is the actually cap hit...you know what players make around 6.4 million next year? jonas drebko and derrick william and spencer hawes....
    No one is debating how valuable Duncan was for the price not sure why you are bringing them up. Kobe made more than Kawhi but that does not make Kawhi appear any more valuable than he already is.

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    lol Manu was easily top 3 bench player in the league this season.

    we can't get better players than Tim and Manu for similar money.

    A lot of people here want an excellent team to get a lot worse it seems.
    Manu would have won 6th man had he not got injured. at Jamal Crawford wining it.

    Manu is more difficult to be replace IMO. Spurs have two play makers and losing one while other has a tendency to wear down is far from ideal.

    Duncan does things that are difficult to replace but I feel like the Spurs can adapt

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    i think the nail in the coffin is duncan has been balling all these year one one good right knee, i believe finally this year that right knee game out. He finally started wearing two knee braces
    Hard to believe that a year ago he torched 'Dre Jordan for 18 ppg on 60% shooting in the 1st round. The wheels appear to be falling off, the may be a few lug nuts that are still keeping them on but they are certainly loose.

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    It`s not like they will die or something. There is always a moment to go, I think it`s time.

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    Hey this guy has a crystal ball! He can tell the future! Amazing!
    exactly, and I see in my crystal ball that you are an idiot and will always be.

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