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Do not want another pick and Pop guy -- either should you if you like motion offense and wide open weak side 3s or layups.
Finally someone on here with an idea that makes sense.
I'm in on this
Do not want another pick and Pop guy -- either should you if you like motion offense and wide open weak side 3s or layups.
Yes, please...another undersized PF?
Thomas Robinson and Miles Plumlee or Meyers Leonard then?
The team could be filling in anywhere from 1 to 4 big men spots, so they should look at any and all candidates to upgrade the rotation.
They need another center regardless of what Timmy and Boban (to a lesser extent) do since that was the biggest team weakness/why they were ousted. Finding a younger, more athletic and preferably bigger (height/size wise) back up for LaMarcus is also needed. I don'the think Arthur fits any of those needs, but he is a proven commodity in the league.
Last edited by J_Paco; 05-22-2016 at 11:28 AM.
Who the said a jump shooter can't play in a motion offense, last I checked Bonner was starting for Tiago in the 2014 WCF.Besides, if Arthur was on the roster during the OKC series he would have punished Ibaka/Adams for doubling LMA when he was posting up.
I'm not advocating that he become that starter, I'm vouching for Cole Aldrich to play the Tiago role & Arthur to replace D-Worst. If PATFO can convince Pau to be a backup then they can dump Diaw (Pau can play point center) & start LMA/Aldrich w/ Pau/Arthur being the backups; this will solve the Turd Tower issue. Arthur can play with any of the 3 bigs & defend the 1-4 PnRs or stretch 4s.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 05-22-2016 at 03:46 PM.
Individual you responded to thinks getting Miles Plumlee and Jason Thompson are the answers to all the Spurs' turd towers issues.Who the said a jump shooter can't play in a motion offense, last I checked Bonner was starting for Tiago in the 2014 WCF.
I'm not advocating that he become that starter, I'm vouching for Cole Aldrich to play the Tiago role & Arthur to replace D-Worst. If PATFO can convince Pau to be a backup then they can dump Diaw (Pau can play point center) & start LMA/Aldrich w/ Pau/Arthur being the backups; this will solve the Turd Tower issue. Arthur can play with any of the 3 bigs & defend the 1-4 PnRs or stretch 4s.
Arthur is more like a poor man's Patterson, but unlike him, he doesn't strike me as a Spur. On top of that, he only recently started shooting threes, hasn't yet shown capable of being a high volume, above average three-point shooter and though he has sufficient mobility, doesn't really do anything else.Who the said a jump shooter can't play in a motion offense, last I checked Bonner was starting for Tiago in the 2014 WCF.
I'm not advocating that he become that starter, I'm vouching for Cole Aldrich to play the Tiago role & Arthur to replace D-Worst. If PATFO can convince Pau to be a backup then they can dump Diaw (Pau can play point center) & start LMA/Aldrich w/ Pau/Arthur being the backups; this will solve the Turd Tower issue. Arthur can play with any of the 3 bigs & defend the 1-4 PnRs or stretch 4s.
To be fair, Teletovic is probably going to be a relatively difficult get and there's a steep drop off after him, in terms of realistic options. In addition to Arthur, there's Villanueva, Tolliver, Kelly, McRoberts (salary dump), Novak, Nicholson, Leuer, Acy, Scola, Gooden. If worse comes to worst, Nicholson or Leuer.
They won't have the money for both Aldrich and Gasol and no way in an ego as massive as the latter's accepts backing up a guy who's been a career fringe player until now.
He suggested Miles Plumlee?!?!
Apparently you do not understand what makes the motion offense optimally efficient.Who the said a jump shooter can't play in a motion offense, last I checked Bonner was starting for Tiago in the 2014 WCF.
I'm not advocating that he become that starter, I'm vouching for Cole Aldrich to play the Tiago role & Arthur to replace D-Worst. If PATFO can convince Pau to be a backup then they can dump Diaw (Pau can play point center) & start LMA/Aldrich w/ Pau/Arthur being the backups; this will solve the Turd Tower issue. Arthur can play with any of the 3 bigs & defend the 1-4 PnRs or stretch 4s.
Matt Bonner wasn't a pick and Pop guy. He was a spread four. There's a huge difference IMO.
When you have 48 minutes of pick and pop guys utilized in your offense-- the overall offense will suffer and will not be optimally effective/efficient especially in a series vs. a great team. Good teams/defenses will stay at home on the weakside almost always -- giving up the 15-18 footer to the Arthurs and David Wests of the NBA. Its the worst shot an offense can take and it doesn't take any effort from the weak-side perimeter defenders. Weak-side perimeter defenders stay at home and it becomes a lot harder for the motion offense to develop the highest +EV shots ( open corner 3's on weak-side, layups/dunks or open 3's in general).
That is what made Splitter w/ the 2nd unit so valuable and thats why they almost always built on to leads. It was a lay up or a wide open three for the Spurs offense every possession and ball-movement was effective because all 5 defenders had to scramble. Having West instead of Splitter w/ 2nd unit this year hurt Spurs motion offense when it mattered (vs elite teams; it wasn't as efficient), all five defenders didn't have to scramble as much because they didn't have to worry about a diver sucking in the defense in the middle of the lane -- the defenders of the PnR would just stay under and gave the mid-range to West. It allowed the weak-side perimeter D stay at home and it became really difficult for Green, Mills or Manu to get going or to get off a clean look.
As for Bonner, he was never a mid-range pick and pop guy -- he was a spread four and opponents had to defend Bonner if he did pop out because he popped out to the three point line and was very efficient. A wide open three is a much more valuable shot than a open mid-range two in the long run -- its not even close. Plus, Bonner was most effective when he played with Splitter or healthy TD -- both were great divers in the motion offense from 12-14'.
Look at the Warriors offense for example -- they have 48 minutes of offense that features a diver in at all times ( Bogut/Ezeli) -- which helps their motion offense be optimally effective.
Maybe now you understand why I'm saying Spurs don't need another pick and pop midrange big.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 05-22-2016 at 07:18 PM.
Dummy, Speight is mid-range shooter who played more minutes last season when he was 27% three point shooter.
Speight doesn't even play w/ any roll men, he plays center & besides Livingston, they surround him w/ Iggy/Barbosa/Barnes or Rush.
Darrell Arthur shot 38% on 45 makes while Iggy shot 35% on 54 makes, usually from the corner w/ no soul around him aka PRACTICE 3s.
Arthur is essentially as good a 3 point shooter than Iggy whose job is to spread the floor in halfcourt sets.
Don't compare him to D-Worst whose career high in makes in 8.
Bosh is more comparable: Bosh shot 34% on 74 makes mostly from the wing during his last season w/ Bron when his job was to spread the floor. Arthur is also shorter but just as mobile & athletic as Bosh.
Another player you can compare him to is Ibaka who shot 32% on 60 made 3s but most of them were from the corner. On defense, Arthur just isn't a shot blocker but can't be any worse of post defender/rebounder.
Basically, have Pau running PnRs & let him either roll, shoot or pitch the ball to the open man. Otherwise, he can still post up backup centers. If Pau doesn't want to play backup then look into someone like Mozgov.
I agree with most of what you said but Arthur doesn't have character issues for me to say he "doesn't strike me as a Spurs". He always plays hard & doesn't complain about minutes. He doesn't showboat or anything & is a career backup so he knows his role. Although Patterson is a better shooter, Arthur is a high energy guy which makes a better fit as a change-of-pace guy coming off the bench.
He's actually very comparable to the Spurs version Rasual Butler (except younger/more athletic) who was ST's favorite child.
Gasol is a luxury more than a need so he won't be missed, rather have Mozgov as long as his knee isn't shot. Leuer would be fine as Bonner replacement if they can get him for the minimum. Nicholson is also intriguing, he & Slow-Mo running PnRs/fastbreaks would be hilarious.
Nothing major, but right or wrong, he doesn't strike me as a Spur.I agree with most of what you said but Arthur doesn't have character issues for me to say he "doesn't strike me as a Spurs". He always plays hard & doesn't complain about minutes. He doesn't showboat or anything & is a career backup so he knows his role. Although Patterson is a better shooter, Arthur is a high energy guy which makes a better fit as a change-of-pace guy coming off the bench.
He's actually very comparable to the Spurs version Rasual Butler (except younger/more athletic) who was ST's favorite child.
Gasol is a luxury more than a need so he won't be missed, rather have Mozgov as long as his knee isn't shot. Leuer would be fine as Bonner replacement if they can get him for the minimum. Nicholson is also intriguing, he & Slow-Mo running PnRs/fastbreaks would be hilarious.
He's not the worst option in the world and they may in fact have to settle for someone in his class, but they need to set their sights higher first.
The role Gasol would play is a need though. If teams feel Mozgov can regain his previous form, he'll get more for longer than Gasol. I'm not interested in tying up what will be required for someone of his ilk.
Leuer is probably the most likely candidate out of the names listed. Nicholson is a talented inside-out scorer, but he's got an explosive temper, is lead footed and has an aversion to passing.
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