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I don't do .
It's my religion.
You going with the authentic Curry jersey or going to buy the fake Chinese Durant gear?
I don't do .
It's my religion.
Religion is for pussies who can't think for themselves.
He didn't specify a timeline.In the last 15 years?
nationalist gonna Nationalist
Moonbat gonna moonbat.
"US is the ebilest country evar. Dey dropped bum on innocent Japan"
(the fun fact left out here is the Japs killing nearly 10 million Chinese. But we're the bad guys).
You ain't so cute this morning, Midst.He didn't specify a timeline.
Moonbat gonna moonbat.
(the fun fact left out here is the Japs killing nearly 10 million Chinese. But we're the bad guys).
First the D'Backs lose to the Giants, now Durant comes to San Francisco.
Look at me, Midst, I'm dancin'!!!
I get irritated when people spout unfactual bull . Whitemamba did such, and it thus irritated me. For supposedly being an "enlightened" individual who is above us deluded sheep, he sure has a knowledge of history.
I'm sure he'll spin now and make the timeline "the last 15 years," but he was referring to DD's post that mentioned "in history," so he was obviously talking about over the United States' history.
Every ing time the US Army leaves the these borders to go "promote democracy," they kill scores of people. From all the way back from WW1 till today. Every death in the middle east is on the US. Every black kid and non white person that is killed by police and has been ( only reason people know now is because of techonology and social meda) on the us. Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Proxy Wars in South America, The list goes on and on. So you need to wake the up and stop living in these fanatsy situation where we do no wrong. Drone strikes, forcing people out of their homes. Hoax after hoax. I just laught at people like you at this point.
Horse ! I'm callin' ass. It's a smokescreen to hide the Durant signing/Duncan retirement disappointment you're suffering.
GD you, Midst.
Just suffer, in public, like I've taught you.
Prove it with in' numbers then. All you're doing is speculating and mentioning situations that EVERY COUNTRY HAS BEEN GUILTY OF THROUGHOUT HISTORY.
And since World War 1. ing seriously? We were late to that war, in addition to largely being war fought in trenches away from civilian soft target areas, but somehow we were the in' bad guys in a war Europe started. Somehow we were the in' bad guys when the Germans introduced the whole world to chemical weapons.
Here's some statistics for you:
World War 1 casualties:
Allied casualties: 6 million, most at the hands of the Germans.
World War 2 civilian casualties:
China: 7-8 million (at the hands of the Japanese)
Korea: 500,000 (Japanese)
Soviet Union: 10 million (at the hands of the Germans)
France: 390,000 (Germans)
Poland: 6 million (Germans)
And these totals don't even account for war related famine and disease, which puts many millions more on the death toll.
Oh, you want to talk about ins utional racism against minorities?
http://www.ibtimes.com/bengal-famine...ocaust-1100525
3 million dead.
And
"But every death is on us."
Seriously, where do you get your ? Your opinions are like those of uninformed rebellious child who thinks he's some tolerant crusader of justice because he saw a Michael Moore movie once.
You really don't know .
Your framing is your problem. You want to compare numbers/atrocities in a vacuum and be the "but other people are worse" guy, which is morally repugnant.Prove it with in' numbers then. All you're doing is speculating and mentioning situations that EVERY COUNTRY HAS BEEN GUILTY OF THROUGHOUT HISTORY.
And since World War 1. ing seriously? We were late to that war, in addition to largely being war fought in trenches away from civilian soft target areas, but somehow we were the in' bad guys in a war Europe started. Somehow we were the in' bad guys when the Germans introduced the whole world to chemical weapons.
Here's some statistics for you:
World War 1 casualties:
Allied casualties: 6 million, most at the hands of the Germans.
World War 2 civilian casualties:
China: 7-8 million (at the hands of the Japanese)
Korea: 500,000 (Japanese)
Soviet Union: 10 million (at the hands of the Germans)
France: 390,000 (Germans)
Poland: 6 million (Germans)
And these totals don't even account for war related famine and disease, which puts many millions more on the death toll.
Oh, you want to talk about ins utional racism against minorities?
http://www.ibtimes.com/bengal-famine...ocaust-1100525
3 million dead.
And
"But every death is on us."
Seriously, where do you get your ? Your opinions are like those of uninformed rebellious child who thinks he's some tolerant crusader of justice because he saw a Michael Moore movie once.
You really don't know .
Chomsky:
Orwell:My own concern is primarily the terror and violence carried out by my own state, for two reasons. For one thing, because it happens to be the larger component of international violence. But also for a much more important reason than that; namely, I can do something about it. So even if the U.S. was responsible for 2 percent of the violence in the world instead of the majority of it, it would be that 2 percent I would be primarily responsible for. And that is a simple ethical judgment. That is, the ethical value of one’s actions depends on their anticipated and predictable consequences.
It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else. That has about as much ethical value as denouncing atrocities that took place in the 18th century.
The point is that the useful and significant political actions are those that have consequences for human beings. And those are overwhelmingly the actions which you have some way of influencing and controlling, which mean for me, American actions.
Meanwhile, your candidate is openly opining for waterboarding and "much worse" forms of torture.All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side. . . . The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
Good luck with that.
No, bro. I am debunking his claim that US holds the highest body count of any country in human history, a claim which any rational person knows is completely false.
I've already made my opinions known on our foreign policy: Non-interventionist. A true national defense over a national offense. Close down bases in countries that don't want us there. End foreign aid to Israel.
But when someone makes the re ed claim that the United States is the source of all death in the world since World War 1 (a claim I find laughable, since we were but a small part of that war, not to mention the fact we fought on the right side), I'm going to set that person straight.
As much as you don't like blind nationalism, I don't like blind anti-Americanism.
I missed you adding this. Here we go again with this bull .
"He's not a fervent anti-American, so he must be a rightwing redneck Trump supporter."
We might as well just leave this thread and celebrate the Gasol acquisition rather than talk politics, since you jump to that same kneejerk conclusion every time. The world isn't neatly divided into a simplistic right/left dichotomy.
WW2, we were involved dumbass dont forget that, 58% of the deaths were the allied forces(total estimated 50- 80 million (O yeah, the US didnt notice an entire ing aerial fleet coming to its baseProve it with in' numbers then. All you're doing is speculating and mentioning situations that EVERY COUNTRY HAS BEEN GUILTY OF THROUGHOUT HISTORY.
And since World War 1. ing seriously? We were late to that war, in addition to largely being war fought in trenches away from civilian soft target areas, but somehow we were the in' bad guys in a war Europe started. Somehow we were the in' bad guys when the Germans introduced the whole world to chemical weapons.
Here's some statistics for you:
World War 1 casualties:
Allied casualties: 6 million, most at the hands of the Germans.
World War 2 civilian casualties:
China: 7-8 million (at the hands of the Japanese)
Korea: 500,000 (Japanese)
Soviet Union: 10 million (at the hands of the Germans)
France: 390,000 (Germans)
Poland: 6 million (Germans)
And these totals don't even account for war related famine and disease, which puts many millions more on the death toll.
Oh, you want to talk about ins utional racism against minorities?
http://www.ibtimes.com/bengal-famine...ocaust-1100525
3 million dead.
And
"But every death is on us."
Seriously, where do you get your ? Your opinions are like those of uninformed rebellious child who thinks he's some tolerant crusader of justice because he saw a Michael Moore movie once.
You really don't know .
Iraq - Just from 2003-2007 1.3 million est. and counting.
Syria 2011-today over half a million est. and counting.
Afghanistan 150,000 (non service men included) have died during their war. and counting.
Libya 25K and counting.
Vietnam estimated 1.3 million total deaths.
Iran vs Iraq war estimated 500K dead. (US supported you know who)
Cops killing americans on average of 85 a month according to the guardian , thats been going on for a long time.
9/11 Dont even get me started. So much god damn evidence, going agianst the US government its sick. But no no no, American can do no wrong, we are a model country. ing dumbass living in the past.
You need to get your brainwashed head out the ter,
You spend WAY more time defending US foreign policy and excusing the mass death it causes by trying to shift focus on "others", hence minimizing what is done in your name. You know what? You have no control over what other governments, current or historical, do or did. You do have a voice in what your government does and continues to do. But you choose to focus on why "we're not that bad" instead of how we could be better.
So you're not in the "Japan waterboarded too!" camp? Good to know.
I've never defended US foreign policy. I just straight told you in that reply I'm non-interventionist.
00: Voted for Gore
04: Kerry
08: Ron Paul (I knew about "O'Bomba's" foreign policy)
12: non-Vote. Both candidates are dip s.
16: Hillary, to keep Trump out of office.
Thinking they have done no wrong, or admitting to the mistakes made is huge. Multiple news polls were done about the most hated countries in the world 2015.. You guessed it..
USA
Israel
http://www.abcnewspoint.com/top-10-l...he-world-2015/
I wonder why? Is it because we do nothing? Everything we do is great .
You forgot Yemen.WW2, we were involved dumbass dont forget that, 58% of the deaths were the allied forces(total estimated 50- 80 million (O yeah, the US didnt notice an entire ing aerial fleet coming to its base
Iraq - Just from 2003-2007 1.3 million est. and counting.
Syria 2011-today over half a million est. and counting.
Afghanistan 150,000 (non service men included) have died during their war. and counting.
Libya 25K and counting.
Vietnam estimated 1.3 million total deaths.
Iran vs Iraq war estimated 500K dead. (US supported you know who)
Cops killing americans on average of 85 a month according to the guardian , thats been going on for a long time.
9/11 Dont even get me started. So much god damn evidence, going agianst the US government its sick. But no no no, American can do no wrong, we are a model country. ing dumbass living in the past.
You need to get your brainwashed head out the ter,
Theres plenty of little wars I didnt mention, South America, some in Asia.
You constantly defend it. Every time this debate pops up, you change the conversation to about how BAD other countries are. Guess what, you have zero influence over those heads. You can't march on Pyongyang or Moscow or Tehran. You can march on DC.
My own concern is primarily the terror and violence carried out by my own state, for two reasons. For one thing, because it happens to be the larger component of international violence. But also for a much more important reason than that; namely, I can do something about it. So even if the U.S. was responsible for 2 percent of the violence in the world instead of the majority of it, it would be that 2 percent I would be primarily responsible for. And that is a simple ethical judgment. That is, the ethical value of one’s actions depends on their anticipated and predictable consequences.
It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else. That has about as much ethical value as denouncing atrocities that took place in the 18th century.
The point is that the useful and significant political actions are those that have consequences for human beings. And those are overwhelmingly the actions which you have some way of influencing and controlling, which mean for me, American actions.
You are a massively stupid, stupid person. That number is the TOTAL number of casualties. So, please, tell me how we're responsible for 80 million deaths resulting from a war we didn't start, and a war in which we entered 2 years after its official start?WW2, we were involved dumbass dont forget that, 58% of the deaths were the allied forces(total estimated 50- 80 million (O yeah, the US didnt notice an entire ing aerial fleet coming to its base
Iraq - Just from 2003-2007 1.3 million est. and counting.
Syria 2011-today over half a million est. and counting.
Afghanistan 150,000 (non service men included) have died during their war. and counting.
Libya 25K and counting.
Vietnam estimated 1.3 million total deaths.
Iran vs Iraq war estimated 500K dead. (US supported you know who)
Cops killing americans on average of 85 a month according to the guardian , thats been going on for a long time.
9/11 Dont even get me started. So much god damn evidence, going agianst the US government its sick. But no no no, American can do no wrong, we are a model country. ing dumbass living in the past.
You need to get your brainwashed head out the ter,
I'll already told you I'm against US foreign policy, dumbass. This debate centered around your massively stupid claim that the US has more blood on their hands than any country in history, which even a re knows is false.
You want to walk back that claim, or are you going to continue being a dip ?
Post a quote of me saying I defended the Iraq War and War on Terror?
Don't you clearly remember me saying that I believed the War on Terror should've been fought like the FBI fought the mafia?
I did defend our actions in South Korea (they were invaded by an aggressive, Stalin backed North Korean force. So in that instance, to standby and do nothing would've been the moral wrong).
And Ho Chin was a wannabe Uncle Joe who wanted to unite Vietnam under his totalitarian communist vision. He was not the good guy. And the great irony is that Vietnam's economy collapsed in the following decades, only to be brought back by economic reform that went to a market based economy. Ho set his country back decades, as South Vietnam had a growing economy until he decided to invade.
Nationalist gonna nationalist
We didnt need to be in World War 2, but we made a reason, that puts us partially to blame for the deaths in WW2. You can debate hitler was going to take over the world sure, and the US needed to join, so we let a bunch of innocent americans die for us to get in. we should of just said, we cant stand for this, we are going to support the British, but we didnt do that did we? As for the other ones, WE ARE 100% Responsible, If we worry about us , and just us, most of these wars and deaths dont exist. We have to support Israel? why? what do they do for us? We have to overthrow governments in the middle east, and start a domino effect. We have to Support the arabs vs the Soviets, and basically create Al Qaeda Jihadi Movement? Look where that got us now. So stop being so ing stupid, and admit that if we tried to do good instead of flexing our military millions of lived could of been saved. Do you know what its like for a child to grow up with no parents? Or Parents who lose their children , and its totally out of their control? Yes the US is responsible for many deaths. As for my statement that sparked your ass hurt? We have more blood, because your too stupid to realize its not going to end , and its getting worse. Anytime we stick our nose somewhere else, its on us.
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