NBA: Timofey signing ranked 3rd worst in 2016?!

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1. Not upset.
2. Minny I an high on Utah I am not. Utah is till better than us we agree.
3. This season starts in 2016 ...I did not say we are making teh playoff in 2016-2017 I am not saying we make it in 2017-2018.
4. I am saying I expect us to make a playoff push (ie just miss it by 3-4 games) in 2017 not meaning this year but the year after.
5. I doubt wesbrook comes but if he does and is healthy I think there is a 90% chance we make the playoffs
6. The bottom of the west is ty and may be even worse by next year.
7. I do not have to rely on Parsons getting injured he has been injured every year since he signed in Dallas.
8. Blazers have a long history of injury issues ...
9. Only stretch I made was houston who have been relatively healthy since Yao and Tmac left ...
10. Yes the Kings and Pelicans have young stars but yet both teams were only what 5-10 games better than us? We have no star but have a better coach and better young prospects than both. But at least they have a #1 ...i will give you that.

Thank you for the numbering kind sir. Without Parsons Memphis is still better. I don't think Parsons is as impactful as your point suggests as it pertains to comparing the rosters at present. Anthony Davis only played 61 games, and Cousins, 65. So that's a decent explanation of record proximity. Walton, granted has a significant family legacy, is really not proven as a coach. Having the most talented team in the league for half the season is not exactly an accurate assessment of ones coaching ability. He's not proven yet, he will earn his stripes going forward. Although I think he will be good.

One thing you are not factoring in regards to teams minus prospects, but with stars, is the willingness of better players to want to sign with them given the fact that they have said stars.

[Killakobe81]

Thank you for the numbering kind sir. Without Parsons Memphis is still better. I don't think Parsons is as impactful as your point suggests as it pertains to comparing the rosters at present. Anthony Davis only played 61 games, and Cousins, 65. So that's a decent explanation of record proximity. Walton, granted has a significant family legacy, is really not proven as a coach. Having the most talented team in the league for half the season is not exactly an accurate assessment of ones coaching ability. He's not proven yet, he will earn his stripes going forward. Although I think he will be good.

One thing you are not factoring in regards to teams minus prospects, but with stars, is the willingness of better players to want to sign with them given the fact that they have said stars.

1. What better players are going to choose to sign in NOLA or Sacto especially Sacto? Even when they were great in the early 2000's no one signed there.
2. Cousins is questioning the FO, they ran out Karl and Vlade is being clowned by his own fan-base.
3. Those star guys being injured doesnt really help the argument it actually helps mine. People dont normally come off significant injury filled seasons the next year fully healthy.
4. Walton is not proven yet I will bet a paycheck he proves to be a far better coach than Scott. Not only does he have the pedigree but he was coached by Phil, Lute Olsen and Kerr. That is great mentor tree.
5. Never said Memphis wasnt still better when did I say that they would not be? Go back to my post i placed them on about equal footing with the clips (if healthy). They are both significantly better than us so why do you keep bringing them up? I only mentioned the Grizz because as a sidenote ... I think they will be worse than most people think. Experts are saying they did well in Fa. I think both conley and Parsons underperform to their contracts even though i like conley .. .

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1. What better players are going to choose to sign in NOLA or Sacto especially Sacto? Even when they were great in the early 2000's no one signed there.
2. Cousins is questioning the FO, they ran out Karl and Vlade is being clowned by his own fan-base.
3. Those star guys being injured doesnt really help the argument it actually helps mine. People dont normally come off significant injury filled seasons the next year fully healthy.
4. Walton is not proven yet I will bet a paycheck he proves to be a far better coach than Scott. Not only does he have the pedigree but he was coached by Phil, Lute Olsen and Kerr. That is great mentor tree.
5. Never said Memphis wasnt still better when did I say that they would not be? Go back to my post i placed them on about equal footing with the clips (if healthy). They are both significantly better than us so what do you keep bringing them up? I only mentioned the Grizz because as a sidenote ... I think they will be worse than most people think. Experts are saying they did well in Fa. I think both conley and Parsons underperform to their contracts even though i like conley .. .

Stranger things have happened, although the front office situation for Sacto is rather bleak. But all it takes is a meeting behind closed doors to orchestrate such a decision. At that point the front office is irrelevant and renders that moot. Regardless, even if those two players play the same amount of games they're still better for the upcoming season. Lets be honest, you guys suck.

[Killakobe81]

. Lets be honest, you guys suck.

On this we agree.
when I said "low lottery" for this upcoming year ... maybe I should say "high lottery" depending on if you think the bottom 5 is high or low.
how is 27-28 wins not sucking?
How is being a lottery team or missing the playoffs 4 and 5 straight seasons like I am predicting not sucking?
You are arguing points we agree on
Again I never said we would make the playoffs next year not even in two years. I said we will fight for one in two years.

But of course we could face injuries as well ..But that is my "bold" prediction around 40 wins two years from now ... a few wins shy of 30 this year ...not like im predicting a le in 5 years or something crazy ... that is a natural progression for a young team. Is it a "stretch goal (not sure you are familiar but it's used often in business) absolutely. But I am hoping that they can hit near it if our core develops.

In summation,

2016-2017 I think we win 27-28 games with a max of 32 low of 25
2017-2018 I think we win around 35 max of 41 low of 32
2018-2019 I expect playoffs.

that is my 3 year plan of expectations for Luke, the team and the FO if they can not even meet those low number targets someone should be fired.

BTW, you asked me why I was mad but you ended with let's be honest they suck ...when we both know that they do and you couldnt argue my points about Sacto and Nola. we do suck thanks for the breaking news?

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On this we agree.
when I said "low lottery" for this upcoming year ... maybe I should say "high lottery" depending on if you think the bottom 5 is high or low.
how is 27-28 wins not sucking?
How is being a lottery team or missing the playoffs 4 and 5 straight seasons like I am predicting not sucking?
You are arguing points we agree on
Again I never said we would make the playoffs next year not even in two years. I said we will fight for one in two years.

But of course we could face injuries as well ..But that is my "bold" prediction around 40 wins two years from now ... a few wins shy of 30 this year ...not like im predicting a le in 5 years or something crazy ... that is a natural progression for a young team. Is it a "stretch goal (not sure you are familiar but it's used often in business) absolutely. But I am hoping that they can hit near it if our core develops.

In summation,

2016-2017 I think we win 27-28 games with a max of 32 low of 25
2017-2018 I think we win around 35 max of 41 low of 32
2018-2019 I expect playoffs.

that is my 3 year plan of expectations for Luke, the team and the FO if they can not even meet those low number targets someone should be fired.

BTW, you asked me why I was mad but you ended with let's be honest they suck ...when we both know that they do and you couldnt argue my points about Sacto and Nola. we do suck thanks for the breaking news?

Couldn't argue your points? Ok. Nothing you said was really substantial. Although I did provide responses for points that were somewhat salient. (Insert emoticon here)

[Killakobe81]

Couldn't argue your points? Ok. Nothing you said was really substantial. Although I did provide responses for points that were somewhat salient. (Insert emoticon here)

1. we agree the Lakers suck, right?
2. We agree they will NOT make the playoffs the next two years? right?
3. We agree Sacto is a mess but right now better than the Lakers because of Cousins
4. We disagree on whether Lakers can make the playoffs in 3 years is that right?
5. We also disagree on Utah and Nola as stable roadblocks to the Lakers Making the playoffs?

I think we agree on more that you realize so not sure why you are arguing with me tbh ...you make it sound like I am arguing we are good or we will be in the playoffs next year when clearly I said we would not ...

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1. we agree the Lakers suck, right?
2. We agree they will NOT make the playoffs the next two years? right?
3. We agree Sacto is a mess but right now better than the Lakers because of Cousins
4. We disagree on whether Lakers can make the playoffs in 3 years is that right?
5. We also disagree on Utah and Nola as stable roadblocks to the Lakers Making the playoffs?

I think we agree on more that you realize so not sure why you are arguing with me tbh ...you make it sound like I am arguing we are good or we will be in the playoffs next year when clearly I said we would not ...

I think you're over interpreting my level of aggressiveness here.

As far as point 4, I think that's when it is most optimistic for them to make the playoffs. Wouldn't say it is likely. Point 5, I think Utah's infrastructure is further along, especially the frontcourt. While they have no dominant player offensively on an elite or star level (Gordon is more like a #3 IMO), they are where the Lakers will likely be 3 years from now. Just outside the playoffs. Given that progression, anything is likely, FA/trades etc. So they are really one guard away from being in the playoffs IMO. Maybe that is the development of Exum, who knows. But they have a lot of talent. Lyles, Exum for future development. Hayward, Gobert for present. And they've added some veteran players to bridge the gap in the meantime. Johnson, Hill, Diaw. I think you are underestimating them. They may even make the playoffs this year, as I think Houston and Dallas are at risk.

Nola needs more work, but are better at present and are less likely as a roadblock, but are still one nonetheless.