Where does Tony Parker rank in the best PGs of all-time debate?

[BillMc]

In the last 25 years they have only been 4 PG's who have shot better FG percentage wise than Parker in the playoffs who have played atleast 50 plus playoff games. Those PG's are Kevin Johnson, CP3,Nash,Stockton.

Not many les there....

If TD is clearly greater than KG because his les lead is 5-1, then an argument can be made that TP is greater than those guys when its 4-0. It's not the complete argument, of course. In the end, I'd have Stockton and possibly CP3 ahead of Parker, but not Nash or Johnson. People seem to forget Nash was a sieve on D....

Tony's rep has taken a hit on this site by the incessant anti-Parker pounding, but I'd have him on the low end of the Top Ten PGs all time.

[daslicer]

Not many les there....

If TD is clearly greater than KG because his les lead is 5-1, then an argument can be made that TP is greater than those guys when its 4-0. It's not the complete argument, of course. In the end, I'd have Stockton and possibly CP3 ahead of Parker, but not Nash or Johnson. People seem to forget Nash was a sieve on D....

Tony's rep has taken a hit on this site by the incessant anti-Parker pounding, but I'd have him on the low end of the Top Ten PGs all time.

I think a lot of hatred is based on his playoff numbers not being as good as his regular season numbers but I think people don't have a grasp of how the PG position is the easiest position to defend in basketball. The PG being the smallest player on the court also makes him easier to guard. On just about any PG you can always stick an athletic SG or SF defender to take him out of his game. That is pretty much what happened to Parker a lot during the playoffs. During the playoffs after he would burn an opposing PG the opponent would have a big perimeter player switch on him just like what the Thunder did in '12 by having Sefolosha guard him after the first first two games. I remember in '13 during game 7 when Lebron guarded Tony for majority of that game and we saw how that worked out. Whenever that switch happened Parker's game took a nose dive but I don't hold that against him since the majority of PG's offensively in that situation would have suffered the same faith. Look at what happened to Westbrook when Kawhi guarded him during the OKC series. PG's are just easier to guard its the reason why Curry's numbers also take a nosedive during the playoffs. In general I'm a strong believer in that PG's usually can't win championships by being the number 1 option.

With all that being said I would say fair criticism of Parker is that he was never a good defender and at best he was only average. He wasn't a great play maker either and average at best in that department. Also his inability to become a good jump shooter.

[spurs10]

Not many les there....

If TD is clearly greater than KG because his les lead is 5-1, then an argument can be made that TP is greater than those guys when its 4-0. It's not the complete argument, of course. In the end, I'd have Stockton and possibly CP3 ahead of Parker, but not Nash or Johnson. People seem to forget Nash was a sieve on D....

Tony's rep has taken a hit on this site by the incessant anti-Parker pounding, but I'd have him on the low end of the Top Ten PGs all time.

This. Individual #'s and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee. Was Tony' success largely impacted by TD? Of course, but they won....in fact they have been the most winning team in all team sports for the entire time TP has been on the team. Not so bad.

[313]

How many other PGs in the top 10 have a FMVP? Isaiah Thomas..Chauncey..and? That's it.

[BillMc]

How many other PGs in the top 10 have a FMVP? Isaiah Thomas..Chauncey..and? That's it.

Magic Johnson.

[313]

Magic Johnson.

Yeah, Parker's in good company

[Kawhitstorm]

forgot guys like archibald but short career or jackson but meh

Seems like you skipped over the late 90s:

Kevin Johnson
Tim Hardaway
Penny Hardaway
Mark Price

Terry Porter was also the Billups of his era.

[Clipper Nation]

How many other PGs in the top 10 have a FMVP? Isaiah Thomas..Chauncey..and? That's it.

Don't forget Boobie Gibson in 2007.

[dabom]

Don't forget Boobie Gibson in 2007.

[sananspursfan21]

Not many les there....

If TD is clearly greater than KG because his les lead is 5-1, then an argument can be made that TP is greater than those guys when its 4-0. It's not the complete argument, of course. In the end, I'd have Stockton and possibly CP3 ahead of Parker, but not Nash or Johnson. People seem to forget Nash was a sieve on D....

Tony's rep has taken a hit on this site by the incessant anti-Parker pounding, but I'd have him on the low end of the Top Ten PGs all time.

This. Most people on here are looking through crap stained glasses. TP was the reason the Spurs offense was decent from 07-11. I'd say 8-10 all time

[gambit1990]

Not many les there....

If TD is clearly greater than KG because his les lead is 5-1, then an argument can be made that TP is greater than those guys when its 4-0. It's not the complete argument, of course.

cp3 and nash never had duncan on their team.

[gambit1990]

people on here are solely mistaken if they think parker ranks higher than nash all time

[Diego20]

people on here are solely mistaken if they think parker ranks higher than nash all time

[barbacoataco]

Parker was one of the best ever at getting into the paint and scoring. He was also a better defender in his prime than many (eg Steve Nash.). Once again it should be pointed out that he faced Nash, CP3, Deron Williams, Billups and many other great PG's in the playoffs and did very well most of the time. In his prime Parker was very fast and that gave him an edge that can't be discounted.

One of the problems with ranking all time PG's is they often had very different skill sets and game strengths. Also several of the supposed all time great PG's like Steve Nash and Chris Paul are on my overrated list.

[testies]

Below Nando de Colo

[Richard Simmons]

12. Toby Parker
13. Mike Conley Jr.

[james evans]

Mark price was better than Parker. The ONLY thing parker had on Price was quickness. And it aint like Price was slow at all because it wasn't. As far as passing and shooting, it's not even close. Price wasn't a defensive wizard by any means, but he's no worse than Parker. I'll put it like this, a prime Price on the 03, 05, 07, 14, spurs team still win les. A prime Parker on Cleveland in 92 and 93 are still eliminated by the Bulls. I know this because I've seen Price play since his days at GT, so it's not some I've seen on youtube. I still got tons of vhs tapes of Cavs vs Bulls playoff games over the years. All time, I'd have Parker ahead of him for accomplishments.

yeah, Parker isn't in the top 10 and won't ever be

[james evans]

Not many les there....

If TD is clearly greater than KG because his les lead is 5-1, then an argument can be made that TP is greater than those guys when its 4-0. It's not the complete argument, of course. In the end, I'd have Stockton and possibly CP3 ahead of Parker, but not Nash or Johnson. People seem to forget Nash was a sieve on D....

Tony's rep has taken a hit on this site by the incessant anti-Parker pounding, but I'd have him on the low end of the Top Ten PGs all time.

Magic, Zeke, Big O, Stockton, Kidd, Cousy, Payton, Fraizer, Archibald, Nash, CP3. Which one of those are you for sure putting Parker ahead of?

[cd021]

Top 10 especially if he hits 20,000 points, and 7,000 assists to go along with 4 championships. Would join Payton, Robertson and Lebron (still working in the assists) to reach those milestones.

[sasaint]

Magic, Zeke, Big O, Stockton, Kidd, Cousy, Payton, Fraizer, Archibald, Nash, CP3. Which one of those are you for sure putting Parker ahead of?

Frazier has been mentioned quite a bit in this thread. But I don't think I have seen Earl Monroe's name. (I think Monroe actually led the Knicks in assists during the 76-77 season.) Back in the day the guard position was not as specialized as it has become. I don't think BB fans or the media regarded either Frazier or Monroe as THE PG. They were just "The Rolls Royce Backcourt", and I loved watching them. (I really liked those Knicks teams of the 70s.)

[sasaint]

Jerry West.

[DMC]

Iverson wasn't a PG.

It depends on what you use to rank PGs. If you use assists he's no where close to the top. If you use the fact he has a finals MVP and 4 rings as a starting PG, then he's in the conversation. If you consider PGs that could break down a defense and score at will and fast break 1 on 3 successfully most of the time, that's TP. Prime TP was a beast.

[DMC]

Magic, Zeke, Big O, Stockton, Kidd, Cousy, Payton, Fraizer, Archibald, Nash, CP3. Which one of those are you for sure putting Parker ahead of?

Chris Paul. He hasn't done anything. Tony used to destroy him when we would play the Hornets.

[DMC]

cp3 and nash never had duncan on their team.

CP3 has a stacked team, can't do with it. He had a good team in New Orleans, couldn't do with it. Steve Nash was a good offensive PG, couldn't defend a hair on my balls. CP3 is a better defender than either TP or Nash, but CP3 is just a regular season hero. You folks who think he's more than that are sorely mistaken. You don't choke that many times unless you're a fugazi.

[daslicer]

Parker arguably is the best I have ever seen at scoring inside the paint for a PG. I think a few times he led the league for points in the paint.