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    Media is owned by for profit corporations. Do the math
    So what. Do you think people need reliable news and are willing to pay for it? People have jobs in this country that rely on accuracy.

    You think media should be run by a government like RT news?

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    Media is owned by for profit corporations. Do the math
    Who use a system of checks and balances through AP cross checking. They are compe ors which promotes diligence.

    Putin's intelligence services have editorial control and are the entirety of oversight for your preferred news outlets.

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    Who use a system of checks and balances through AP cross checking. They are compe ors which promotes diligence.

    Putin's intelligence services have editorial control and are the entirety of oversight for your preferred news outlets.
    Checks and balances? the same checks and balances that sold us the Iraq war? Or hides the attrocities commited in yemen? Or sold us the Iran deal? checks and balances

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    Checks and balances? the same checks and balances that sold us the Iraq war? Or hides the attrocities commited in yemen? Or sold us the Iran deal? checks and balances
    they weren't the source material, dim. Bush was a dumb is the story here.

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    This is the first election that I am not voting. Both of these candidates are corrupt, have little to no morals, and the office is only about their huge egos. Trump is a racist, sexist egomaniac. The moron still hasn't learned to stop calling women ugly. The idiot said it again today at a rally, when denying he would want his accusers. And Hillary is a power hungry with about 300 skeletons in her closet. Mic e Obama gave a nice little speech today condemning Trump's treatment of women. One little problem. She wants you to vote for a woman, who's husband used to women in the white house for kicks. Hillary tries to come off as this strong woman, meanwhile she stayed with this clown who publically embarrassed her time and again.. Hillary blamed the women for the affairs and not Bill. You can't make this up..

    Not voting..

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    Who use a system of checks and balances through AP cross checking. They are compe ors which promotes diligence.

    Putin's intelligence services have editorial control and are the entirety of oversight for your preferred news outlets.
    Which new sites are reputable now? Name 5.

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    I figured that was the one, but it's not uncommon for journalists to review articles/quotes with subjects they interview.

    Even ignoring this, at worst this proves Hillary has a member of the media in bed with her, which shouldn't surprise anyone, because basically everybody with any power has shills for them in the media.

    The idea that it proves the entirety of the Media is in bed with Hillary (as though the Media were some monolithic en y with a single political objective) is paranoid lunacy.
    collusion is a dangerous en y.

    i urge you to revisit

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    collusion is a dangerous en y.

    i urge you to revisit
    I'm happy to have a long discussion over the role of journalists and what cons utes collusion.

    My point here is that this is common practice with politicians, athletes, celebrities, basically anyone who is interviewed for news content. So it's not much of a story as far as Hillary is concerned (though it will probably cast doubt on the neutrality of the journalist.)

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    Which new sites are reputable now? Name 5.
    The Economist
    BBC
    NPR
    PBS
    NY Times (foreign affairs very good IMO)

    These are all go to for me. The NY Times is left leaning IMO, some of the others as well (by a staunch conservative)

    I can add others

    So now yours SA?

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    Do you have any idea how far back our relationship with the Saudis goes? And What ANY president will inherit from this mess?
    Saudi is best allies and donors of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. and they enforce the same brand of radical Sharia law in Saudi Arabia, but the US turns a blind eye to that because they sell us relatively cheap oil.

    Trump wants to stop feeding terrorism even if it means we might have to pay a little more in the short run before we find better trade partners. That's what I like.

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    Saudi is best allies and donors of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. and they enforce the same brand of radical Sharia law in Saudi Arabia, but the US turns a blind eye to that because they sell us relatively cheap oil.

    Trump wants to stop feeding terrorism even if it means we might have to pay a little more in the short run before we find better trade partners. That's what I like.
    Do this.

    Go to PBS and watch the FRONTLINE do entary on this. It's far more complex right now than you make it.

    You fail to mention HUGE players at PRESENT:

    Iran
    Russia
    Turkey
    The Kurds

    And the past relationships influence the present situation.
    Watch it.

    Trump.... What Trump says? Are you F'N kidding? The guy is totally unaware of foreign affairs. You want simple pie because it's easy to swallow. Tough luck, this pie does not exist in any pantry you scour for food.

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    Do this.

    Go to PBS and watch the FRONTLINE do entary on this. It's far more complex right now than you make it.

    You fail to mention HUGE players at PRESENT:

    Iran
    Russia
    Turkey
    The Kurds

    And the past relationships influence the present situation.
    Watch it.

    Trump.... What Trump says? Are you F'N kidding? The guy is totally unaware of foreign affairs. You want simple pie because it's easy to swallow. Tough luck, this pie does not exist in any pantry you scour for food.
    Turkey government is also on Saudi and ISIS side.

    Russia is probably the most reasonable to ally with because they do not fight over religion nor are they religious.

    Iran is Shiite and I don't trust that government one second, I wish that other party had won in 2009 but the citizens are mostly secular and more reasonable, even the ones who do pray -- at least they hate ISIS, Saudi and the Sunnis

    The Kurds are a weird player because they're moderately Sunni but hate Turkey and ISIS and try to be reasonable with the West. However, Russia and Assad lumps them in with the terrorists due to their ignorance, which is unfortunate.

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    Turkey government is also on Saudi and ISIS side.

    Russia is probably the most reasonable to ally with because they do not fight over religion nor are they religious.

    Iran is Shiite and I don't trust that government one second, I wish that other party had won in 2009 but the citizens are mostly secular and more reasonable, even the ones who do pray -- at least they hate ISIS, Saudi and the Sunnis

    The Kurds are a weird player because they're moderately Sunni but hate Turkey and ISIS and try to be reasonable with the West. However, Russia and Assad lumps them in with the terrorists due to their ignorance, which is unfortunate.
    Kurds have been on by everyone. They were pretty much ignored on the arbitrary split of the Ottoman Empire after WWI and have been ed over by Iraq ,Turkey, and Syria ever since.

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    Y'all should watch "Hot Shots! Part Deux (1993)" ... one of my favorite war comedy movies as a pre-teen... I like Trump partly because he's a lot like Tug Benson, the US President character in the movie... should really watch it though, it's a great laugh.

    As an easter egg, all of the women's middle names in the movie are "Rodham" as shown in the end credits. Lmfao.

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    Turkey government is also on Saudi and ISIS side.

    Russia is probably the most reasonable to ally with because they do not fight over religion nor are they religious.

    Iran is Shiite and I don't trust that government one second, I wish that other party had won in 2009 but the citizens are mostly secular and more reasonable, even the ones who do pray -- at least they hate ISIS, Saudi and the Sunnis

    The Kurds are a weird player because they're moderately Sunni but hate Turkey and ISIS and try to be reasonable with the West. However, Russia and Assad lumps them in with the terrorists due to their ignorance, which is unfortunate.
    Your just scraping the surface. Turkey's role depends a great deal on what the Kurds are allowed to do. We armed the Kurds and Turkey prevented us from using their airbase thereby letting ISIS take territory and murder thousands as the Kurds were given no air cover to prevent a slaughter. Turkey watched. The Kurds also have terrorist elements they can't control.

    Seriously. Sometimes you gotta read or listen to some news that spans more than the present. Do entaries are good for that. And there is so much more. You have to understand from all the players perspectives. You make simplistic blanket conclusions like Trump would expect.

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    Your just scraping the surface. Turkey's role depends a great deal on what the Kurds are allowed to do. We armed the Kurds and Turkey prevented us from using their airbase thereby letting ISIS take territory and murder thousands as the Kurds were given no air cover to prevent a slaughter. Turkey watched. The Kurds also have terrorist elements they can't control.

    Seriously. Sometimes you gotta read or listen to some news that spans more than the present. Do entaries are good for that. And there is so much more. You have to understand from all the players perspectives. You make simplistic blanket conclusions like Trump would expect.
    So there are indeed Kurdish terrorists?

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    The Economist
    BBC
    NPR
    PBS
    NY Times (foreign affairs very good IMO)

    These are all go to for me. The NY Times is left leaning IMO, some of the others as well (by a staunch conservative)

    I can add others

    So now yours SA?
    Stormfront
    Breitbart
    AR15.com
    vdare.com
    DailyCaller

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    So there are indeed Kurdish terrorists?
    Absolutely.

    They have set up bombs in Ankara targeting and killing civilians. It's in a way expected when a people are constantly getting assaulted and can't match military might. There is a pretty standard method of raising a terrorist from childhood. We have contributed to this brew in the ME.

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    Its obviously very hard to prove corporate media is colluding most times. They do it very sneakily by ommiting certain facts, repeating government statements as facts and of course topping it out with their "opinion" pieces or editorials.

    All we can go by is trends in a set timeframe to help us decide if there is a smear campaign or collusion.

    For example, the Russia is doing the hacking and they are doing it to influence the campaign in favor of Trump is one of the mowt blatant corporate media colousion vehicles in recent history. There is no definite proof whatsoever that Russian government ordered the hacking, much less as to why they are doing it. Yet most media is reporting this as fact.

    Another example is the "news" circulated in most media outlets:
    "Putin ally warns US to elect Trump or face nuclear war"


    In what world is that "news" piece unbiased and responsible??? The Putin "ally" is nothing but a Russian olygarch. Sure he might be friendly with Putin. But does that mean his statement is anything but 1 simple guys opinion???


    Yet that "news" has been circulated by most media outlets.


    Blatant

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    Its obviously very hard to prove corporate media is colluding most times. They do it very sneakily by ommiting certain facts, repeating government statements as facts and of course topping it out with their "opinion" pieces or editorials.

    All we can go by is trends in a set timeframe to help us decide if there is a smear campaign or collusion.

    For example, the Russia is doing the hacking and they are doing it to influence the campaign in favor of Trump is one of the mowt blatant corporate media colousion vehicles in recent history. There is no definite proof whatsoever that Russian government ordered the hacking, much less as to why they are doing it. Yet most media is reporting this as fact.

    Another example is the "news" circulated in most media outlets:
    "Putin ally warns US to elect Trump or face nuclear war"


    In what world is that "news" piece unbiased and responsible??? The Putin "ally" is nothing but a Russian olygarch. Sure he might be friendly with Putin. But does that mean his statement is anything but 1 simple guys opinion???


    Yet that "news" has been circulated by most media outlets.


    Blatant
    The timing of the Russian hacking and who they are hacking is relevant. Conclusions beyond that are mostly editorial.
    Do you understand the difference between a reporter and editorial columnist?

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    Its obviously very hard to prove corporate media is colluding most times. They do it very sneakily by ommiting certain facts, repeating government statements as facts and of course topping it out with their "opinion" pieces or editorials.

    All we can go by is trends in a set timeframe to help us decide if there is a smear campaign or collusion.

    For example, the Russia is doing the hacking and they are doing it to influence the campaign in favor of Trump is one of the mowt blatant corporate media colousion vehicles in recent history. There is no definite proof whatsoever that Russian government ordered the hacking, much less as to why they are doing it. Yet most media is reporting this as fact.

    Another example is the "news" circulated in most media outlets:
    "Putin ally warns US to elect Trump or face nuclear war"


    In what world is that "news" piece unbiased and responsible??? The Putin "ally" is nothing but a Russian olygarch. Sure he might be friendly with Putin. But does that mean his statement is anything but 1 simple guys opinion???


    Yet that "news" has been circulated by most media outlets.


    Blatant
    Exactly. This is another 'Benghazi was caused by a video". The colluding media was still sucking that weeks after it was obvious it was a ile.

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    Here are some initial observations from the latest leak:

    More “quid pro quo”? – the Campaign was aware of emails being released by State prior to actual event, including direct link to them: Link.


    Did the Clinton campaign collude with Dianne Feinstein — even though she’s concerned about classified info: Link
    “… she wants to be a surrogate on Benghazi. Senate Intel did a bipartisan report while she was chair finding no wrongdoing. She also talked to IC IG yesterday who repeated no criminal referral but said he was still concerned about classified info on the thumb drive and possibly the server. Diane later talked to HRC and reiterated offer to help.”
    David Kendall interaction that leads to phone call: Link
    What was the “vulnerability meeting”?: Link


    Strategist Tom Cosgrove suggests giving Goldman money to Children’s defense fund as “it gives her a legitimate opportunity to get the public to appreciate her long history of social justice in a way that just talking about it or advertising it doesn’t.”: Link


    Clinton campaign was inspired by Jeb Bush’s stance on the economy, praising Bush’s “message” for attracting “half of african americans and democrats and two thirds of latinos.” … “Some thought it ended too harsh. But the perspective on the economy has really worked. Now we didn’t tell people this was from bush.


    But its a warning,” reads the mail from Lake Research to Clinton advisor Minyon Moore: Link
    Neera Tander is not a fan of Harvard professor Larry Lessig, who announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination for president in August 2015, is harshly criticized in an email by Neera Tanden.
    “I f*cking hate that guy. Like I’d like to kick the sh*t out of him on twitter…but I know that is dumb,” Tanden writes to Podesta. Link

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    "There is no definite proof whatsoever that Russian government ordered the hacking"

    How do we, you, KNOW that?



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    "There is no definite proof whatsoever that Russian government ordered the hacking"

    How do we, you, KNOW that?


    prove it HOW DO YOU KNOW NOT

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    I am sure it the democrats planned to say it was along just like them planning violence at trump rallies

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