Well, to be fair Terry mings completely dominated Jordan in the playoffs
Yeah, Terry mings dominated PEAK Jordan & he wasn't physically bigger than ROOKIE Jordan. In any case, Jordan was matched up against Sidney Moncrief who is the only guard to win multiple DPOY awards.
And considering Jordan had a losing record for 1/3 of his career, it's not that far-fetched to think
LeBron didn't make the playoffs his first two season in the league while playing in the Leastern Conference.
Le got locked up by Bruce Bowen who was no match for LeBron as far as athleticism & physical stature.
Also, to think Jordan pretty much couldn't win a playoff game until he got a good team around him and definitely couldn't sniff a le until he got the GOAT coach puts some things in perspective.
Yeah, Jordan couldn't win a playoff game when he was losing in the conference finals against the 80s Celtics/Pistons who went on to win it all.
No one is invincible.
Bird called Jordan the closest thing to god before he won a championship, Pierce used to take a shyt on LeBron when they were both playing w/ scrubs:
Maybe if Lebron would have retired a few times in the middle of his career he may have avoided '11.
LeBron actually retired in the middle of the 2010 series vs. the Cavs & followed it w/ his second retirement in the 2011 Finals.
'16 Warriors were a quarter away from being eliminated 4-1 by a team led by Dominos.
The team LeBron had as a 22 year old whose second best player was Larry Hughes Tim wouldn't even get out of the first round if Hughes was the second best player on the roster.
It's okay player fans... Tim is an all time great. But he ringed against some serious dog teams, especially those first 3/4. The one team comparable in quality to the last two teams LeBron has ringed against, he lost to...
sorry spursfan, LeKing has had to face two of the top 4 rated teams all time in the finals... that's ridiculous. 3 of the top 15 in fact. Whereas Tim only had to face 1 in the top 30 in the finals, and that was the Miami team he lost to. In fact the 3 teams he played in the playoffs on that list ever he went 0-3 against.
Tim is top ten all time but don't try to put him ahead of LBJ because of rings, when LeBron could probably go 12-0 against the 99 knicks, 03 nets and 07 cavs
sorry spursfan, LeKing has had to face two of the top 4 rated teams all time in the finals... that's ridiculous. 3 of the top 15 in fact. Whereas Tim only had to face 1 in the top 30 in the finals, and that was the Miami team he lost to. In fact the 3 teams he played in the playoffs on that list ever he went 0-3 against.
Tim is top ten all time but don't try to put him ahead of LBJ because of rings, when LeBron could probably go 12-0 against the 99 knicks, 03 nets and 07 cavs
Lebron didn't just beat the '13 Spurs and '16 Warriors. He was very lucky in both series.
The thing about Lebron is that he constantly gets the odds stacked in his favor. Hype, super teams, injuries, a weak conference which facilitates a better record and better odds to reach the Finals...
The exception being '15, and his team was still the underdog going into that series.
Some of the Spurs Finals opponents weak, of course, as it was when the Lakers threepeated, but then you have to consider the Western Conference opponents. Early 00's was the time when the WCF was the real Finals.
Lebron is an all time talent, it's just hard to compare him to Timmy who never had massive media love and superstars taking pay cuts to work as his sidekicks.
sorry spursfan, LeKing has had to face two of the top 4 rated teams all time in the finals... that's ridiculous. 3 of the top 15 in fact. Whereas Tim only had to face 1 in the top 30 in the finals, and that was the Miami team he lost to. In fact the 3 teams he played in the playoffs on that list ever he went 0-3 against.
Tim is top ten all time but don't try to put him ahead of LBJ because of rings, when LeBron could probably go 12-0 against the 99 knicks, 03 nets and 07 cavs
I would twist your observation on its head... the opponents that Lebron's teams faced were already weakened by the perennial slugfest in the Western Conference.
Yeah, Terry mings dominated PEAK Jordan & he wasn't physically bigger than ROOKIE Jordan. In any case, Jordan was matched up against Sidney Moncrief who is the only guard to win multiple DPOY awards.
LeBron didn't make the playoffs his first two season in the league while playing in the Leastern Conference.
Le got locked up by Bruce Bowen who was no match for LeBron as far as athleticism & physical stature.
Yeah, Jordan couldn't win a playoff game when he was losing in the conference finals against the 80s Celtics/Pistons who went on to win it all.
Bird called Jordan the closest thing to god before he won a championship, Pierce used to take a shyt on LeBron when they were both playing w/ scrubs:
LeBron actually retired in the middle of the 2010 series vs. the Cavs & followed it w/ his second retirement in the 2011 Finals.
Outplayed by Rondo & Terry:
Make all the excuses for Jordan you want. The fact is his resume has a lot of holes:
- 5 seasons under .500 (Duncan never had a single season under .600 and played 4 more years than Jordan)
- 1-9 in the playoffs before Pippen & co.
- Didn't get close to a le before Phil Jackson
- Spent years in retirement in the middle of his career (never had to face Olajuwon, Duncan/Robinson, Shaq/Kobe) because he was retired or not making the playoffs.
- Getting swept in the playoffs in his early years when Duncan was sweeping Shaq & Kobe in his.
- The only team he beat in the Finals who won a championship was a washed-up Lakers team.
- Played on one of the most stacked teams in history (a team that made deep playoff runs without him)
To LeKing's credit, he has beaten two teams in the finals -- '13 spurs and 73-9 warriors -- that are vastly superior to any team Tim beat in the finals. If he plays the '99 lockout knicks and the Kidd nets in his first two finals he is sitting at 5 rings right now easy, let alone that Cavs team with Larry Hughes as the second best player
Lebron has played in the weaker conference his whole career and if you want to bring up the Heat beating the Spurs...they got lucky, which was proven the next year. Nobody remembers Lebrons conference finals whereas the Spurs have been in major battles with the likes of the Lakers, Phoenix and Dallas, all with at least one future hall of famer in them but some with with multiple. Many times it is the series' before the Finals that show a teams worth.
The team LeBron had as a 22 year old whose second best player was Larry Hughes
Last I checked LeChoke had Wade at his PEAK & Bosh in his prime when he lost to a team whose second best player was Jason Terry.
Tim wouldn't even get out of the first round if Hughes was the second best player on the roster.
You are right, Tim wouldn't have just gotten out of the first round.....he would have won it all just like he did in 2003 when Stephen Jackson was the second best player in the playoffs.
Also, Duncan is the 2nd GOAT. Dad Killer would have never rang in San Antonio and would have demanded a trade out of town by year three. Without the most stacked teams in NBA history and copious amounts of help from Stern, DK would have been the Antoine Walker/Monta Ellis of his era.
Tim is an all time great. But he ringed against some serious dog teams, especially those first 3/4. The one team comparable in quality to the last two teams LeBron has ringed against, he lost to...
Dumbass, the 2nd rd & WCF were the equivalent of the Finals in '99/'03/'07. Le is the one cake-walking into the Finals while facing tomato cans such as the Al Horford's Hawks & DeFrozen's Raptors in the ECF.
If the Duds were able to cakewalk into the Finals without having to face OKC & resting Wardell till the Finals then Le would have been closed out in 5.
2013 gift or we don't even have to listen to this.
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In any case, Jordan was matched up against Sidney Moncrief who is the only guard to win multiple DPOY awards.
