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    I think Dedmon deserves the start.

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    He's getting frozen out of the offense by Kobe, I mean Kawhi, per par

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    It's all good because it's basketball discussion, but people have to stop freaking out and diagnosing things this early. That is why I was so vocal early on about bracing yourself for up's and down's.

    This team has a lot of new pieces and with Danny out to start things are even more whacky. Then, even if you want to say the starting lineup is the same except one player, while true it underscores how big of a cog was lost in Tim.

    Lot going on, lot to figure out, new guys, young guys and a SL that is whacky due to injury. Give it some time before delving too far.

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    It's not quite simply when you break down how he can be involved more.

    How do you want him more involved? There's not a good answer, no matter how much you try to spin it.

    He's terribly inefficient in post ups and he plays majority of his minutes with two superior players who need the ball.

    If he's involved anymore, it won't be better for the Spurs because he's not effective enough to be a play maker from interior because his play doesn't warrant double teams and he's not efficient enough from that area.

    He's a secondary role playing spot up shooter from mid-range on out to the three point line these days. A big reason why he put up 16 last year is because he played 31 mpg and was able to get enough volume to yield 16 points per game.

    It's like people don't understand this still after the Richard Jefferson era.

    He came in a 20 point scorer and he was never going to live up to expectations when his usage was going to decrease significantly. And with good reason, Parker and Manu were much better at creating quality looks for themselves and teammates-- so they deserved more touches. And then you bring in Duncan who needed his touches inside. What fourth option has ever averaged more than 12 points? Not happening.

    If this was 2011 or 2012 then I'd agree, Gasol is good enough to warrant more touches because he commands double teams and can be efficient inside. That is not the case anymore. Look it up.



    It's quite simple reallly...

    The Spurs FO and this board that liked the idea of adding Gasol was because what he brought offensively...things Duncan couldn't do. Gasol wasn't brought here to be a defensive captain although his length and rebounding was better than Duncan...

    As of now he's producing just as much as TD did last year...that's not what he was brought here to do....

    The sooner he's involved the better
    The only area Gasol is a clear upgrade on Duncan in, is range shooting. His length probably isn't "better" (his height is, but I've never seen a player block shots or rebound with their head) and his rebounding isn't either (he's corralled a superior percentage the past 2 seasons, but his contested rebound percentage is poor and his team rebounded better with him off the floor).

    Whether it's their forte or not, to a certain extent, the center has to be the "defensive captain" just because of the nature of the position. They've got the best view of the opposing offense and because of their size and proximity to the rim, are often the biggest impediment to it.

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    This is why I preferred DH.
    We did choose the organizational fit, not the player we needed.
    Dwight got $23 mil per. The Spurs could never compete for him, he was not a realistic option at all.


    The odd guy out is Tony... it makes no sense to keep him and trade Danny considering the direction Spurs have taken.
    It does make sense - they're trading contracts, not players. Tony's contract is bad and he doesn't have even a neutral trade value. The only possibility for a trade, IF they decide to do it which is highly unlikely, would be to some team trying to meet the salary floor. Danny, on the other hand, has a very tradable contract and could fetch an actual asset. If they go after Chris Paul next summer, Danny will be the first on the block.

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    Dwight got $23 mil per. The Spurs could never compete for him, he was not a realistic option at all.



    It does make sense - they're trading contracts, not players. Tony's contract is bad and he doesn't have even a neutral trade value. The only possibility for a trade, IF they decide to do it which is highly unlikely, would be to some team trying to meet the salary floor. Danny, on the other hand, has a very tradable contract and could fetch an actual asset. If they go after Chris Paul next summer, Danny will be the first on the block.
    Roger that,.... we are saddled with Tony.

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    Dwight got $23 mil per. The Spurs could never compete for him, he was not a realistic option at all.



    It does make sense - they're trading contracts, not players. Tony's contract is bad and he doesn't have even a neutral trade value. The only possibility for a trade, IF they decide to do it which is highly unlikely, would be to some team trying to meet the salary floor. Danny, on the other hand, has a very tradable contract and could fetch an actual asset. If they go after Chris Paul next summer, Danny will be the first on the block.
    You pay the price to move Parker. He makes negative sense with Paul anyway. And that's before getting into the fact that Parker's deal is larger and that Danny's deal isn't enough cap savings.

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    Could the Spurs have opened up enough money if they wanted to go after Whiteside or Dwight Howard? After watching Whiteside destroy us earlier last week, I wondered why they never went after him. I would have taken his defense and rebounding any day of the week over Pau's offensive fit.

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    Could the Spurs have opened up enough money if they wanted to go after Whiteside or Dwight Howard? After watching Whiteside destroy us earlier last week, I wondered why they never went after him. I would have taken his defense and rebounding any day of the week over Pau's offensive fit.
    They could have, yes.

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    Imo Duncan could have won any of them from '01-'07, and should have won in 2013.

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    They could have, yes.
    Why do you think they didn't go after Whiteside? Character issues, or do you think they weren't sold on him?

    Howard, I figure, they wouldn't have wanted to pay him that much as I doubt they thought he was worth his market price.

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    Why do you think they didn't go after Whiteside? Character issues, or do you think they weren't sold on him?

    Howard, I figure, they wouldn't have wanted to pay him that much as I doubt they thought he was worth his market price.
    I think they didn't want to make the further financial sacrifices that would have been necessary for them to keep get him. It would've probably required them to let Manu go. Spurs had like $21-22 Million in cap space, IIRC, but Murray, LJC and Manu took up around $6 Million when you factor in cap holds and roster charges, so they didn't have all that much to use on Pau.

    Personally, I wasn't too much on the Whiteside caravan as it was. It was on some combo of Clarkson/Gordon and Sullinger/Amir (whoever got released -- ended up being Jared). I loved Dedmon but he was still an RFA at the time. I think getting Dewayne and Lee for what they did just underscores them going for a guard. But that's just me.

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    his body language can read very poorly at times.

    not new but i guess it's just more apparent since i'm seeing a lot more of him.

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    Soursbare 29th in league in pints in the paint according to Pop...


    That's unacceptable with Pau and LMA

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    Soursbare 29th in league in pints in the paint according to Pop...


    That's unacceptable with Pau and LMA
    They get most of their points off Pick and Pops because they aren't that great on the block going towards the basket. They still resort to more mid-range even from the post -- most specifically Aldridge. Gasol resorts to his inefficient hook that has gone in 31% of the time so far this year.

    Its more unacceptable for our wing/ ballhandlers in PnRs that aren't able to consistently get into the lane and when they do they're not converting attempts. They're also not creating enough opportunities for the front-court to finish inside.

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    What I've seen of his defensive effort is matadorish, and appears he's either out of position or just not interested in defending hard.

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    Next suggestion: Tony Parker isolations

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    not interested in defending hard.
    Pau doesn't do anything hard

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    Stop crying please, itīs been just 7 games into the season, he has to learn lots of things.
    Did anyone learn something from last year with Aldridge.
    Spurs learning curve is at least 4 months. After that we will have a better picture.

    Not to say that we are without Danny and TP is playing like .

    Things will be better in a couple of months.

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    he screams and flops a lot

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    I think it's time to really consider him going to the bench and being a focal point on the offensive end. It's just not happening in the SL..id rather experiment now then wait unti later tbh.

    And I also think Pau may be up for it due to his poor play and lack of touches in the SL. I also would like to see Dedmond, Kawhi, Green start games and see if the defense improves

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    Just thoughts and opinions of his play and role so far?

    The best thing he's doing right now is shooting the basketball..which is good and all but he's capable of a lot more. I'm honestly surprised the Spurs haven't made him more involved in the offense especially in the post. If he's just going to be just another guy and his looks become inconsistent and he's just a spot shooter/scorer I think thats bad for the Spurs.

    He's our 3rd best offensive weapon and I do feel he's capable of averaging 15/9/4 on this team. Maybe going to bench maximizes his play? I really dunno but he's got to become more involved if this team wants to reach its potential.
    old remark made back in early Nov. 2016, early season.
    Now in the playoffs... dude is looking like a bust of a signing if that 3 pt shot is not on fire.
    He was shooting over 50% on 3s which is unsustainable.
    I ma very disappointed in Pau Gasol tbh...

    for the record.. just found this thread while I was searching for something else... and it was interesting how observations from so early in the season already told us a lot about this player.

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    I still don't know if Pop would've had the balls moving him to the bench if he didn't break his hand..it's odd Gasol became the best shooter of his career off a broken hand and moving to br bench.

    Question will be if him going to the bench will play a role in offseason decisions of opting in or out tbh

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