The Intercept: Democrats, Trump, and the Ongoing Refusal to Learn from Brexit

[GSH]

I don't think it is. The "one-percenters" was a stupid catchphrase since it tries to make anyone wealthy seem corrupt, but protesting Wall Street and financial innovation crashing our economy was justified.

Yes, that's exactly what it was. You do understand you're sort of arguing my point?

The part about attacking the rigged game between government and the financial ins utions is more than valid. The vast bulk of what that "movement" got turned into was something else entirely. And Michael is great at exploiting and grievance-mongering for profit. Anyplace you find unrest, you'll find Michael Moor there, throwing gas on the fire and looting the corpses.

We probably agree on a lot more than you would guess. If we don't agree on Moore, that's pretty small in comparison to a lot of other things. My biggest problem is that walrus gets handed the big microphone way too often, and his interest is always in causing the greatest amount of animus, so that he can make another million off the carnage.

[rmt]

Trash isn't a Molotov tail. He's not a disrupter. Noting For The People will come from him.

He's an elitist 0.1%er, an establishment insider, he will sign every pro-1% / anti-99% bill the Repug Congress sends him, and that is ALL the Repugs will send him.

He feels no obligation to his voters.

His only sociopathic objective is the glorification and enrichment of himself, which is exactly the ethics of the current establishment (both parties): running for office to get (more) wealthy.

There's no way the 99% can get to 60 (or even 51 after the Repugs kill the filibuster bull ) in Senate or 218 in House, couldn't even get 1/4 of that.

If the people can't get control of the legislatures, they can't transform the system in their favor, For The People.

In the next couple year, the Repugs will up SCOTUS with more VRWC prick worse than their current 4, a up that will last DECADES, AND be out of the reach of The People. Not wild to assume SCOTUS will be 6 VRWC - 3 progressive by 2020.

America has been for a couple decades what has been the case for 1000s of years, a few powerful, wealthy men controlling society to maintain/increase their own power and benefit. Tribe, oligarchy, royalty (+ corrupt Religions), dictator/autocrat.

And they want EVERYTHING that they don't already have:

taxpayer cashflow $Ts diverted from public schools to for-profit corporate schools,

$Ts of citizen retirement funds diverted from SS to BigFinance thieves.

I've been telling you people, America (of the 99%) is ed and un able.

And it ain't gonna just "swing back". The 1% has grabbed the pendulum on their side, and they ain't lettin go.

The Trash voters who foolishly, ignorantly voted Trash as some kind savior with kingly powers also voted in nearly every Repug in bent, while voting out a few "moderate" Repugs, replaced with extreme rightists.

boutons, parents/kids CHOOSE to go to charter schools. If they're not good, don't go there - you always have your local public school to go to. I don't see how anyone can object to charter schools IF they do a better job than public schools and then the public schools deserve to lose enrollment. The only reason to object would then be pandering to the union teachers and schools that do a bad job.

[Spurminator]

This is just my personal read on the situation, but I don't view this as a Republican win. I know people like Paul Ryan are clinging to Trump to save their necks, but I view his election as much a repudiation of the Republicans as the Democrats. I think that's the idea behind Moore's molotov tail comment.

I agree completely. And I also think every one of these articles about liberal problems would have been just as relevant after a Clinton victory.

[Clipper Nation]

I agree completely. And I also think every one of these articles about liberal problems would have been just as relevant after a Clinton victory.

Not really. A Hillary victory would have locked up the Supreme Court for the left. It would have bolstered the electoral Blue Wall for decades to come through all the open borders and amnesty that would be coming down the pike. And it would have cost a lot of Republicans their seats (even Paul Ryan had to admit that Trump's coattails helped keep Congress under Republican control). The left would have been in a very strong position if Hillary won, and the GOP would have hit rock bottom.

[DMC]

Truth tbqh

And its the elites who are creating d confrontation
Between the crackalakaz vs the purple haired emo s

And the stupid lemmings too stupid to realize they being played on both sides

I think we should conduct these discussions in earnest, bypassing activist rhetoric.

[DMC]

I got as far as his ty fiction on the 2000 election, and then the big ing deal he made out of Bush reading to children when the first WTC tower went down, and I left. I'm not fan of Dubya, but that was some stupid he was trying to sell. Seriously Pravda-level . Like a Little Golden Book for socialists.

He's a grievance monger. He's gotten filthy rich, and filthier fat, off of feeding fairy tales to willing adults. I admit to not watching the whole thing, but your comment about the "rust belt" sounds like his style. He specializes in demonizing segments of the population, to whip the lemmings into a frenzy. "It's all those stupid people in the Midwest and the south that are the real enemy here." Not like the brain surgeons in Compton.

Walk into any grocery store, book store, Starbucks, or courthouse in any city in the country and you'll find a pretty evenly-distributed share of ignorance. Moore's specialty is to give one group of ignorant people reason to be mad at another.

And his an hesis is Ann Coulter. Both have been right and both have been incredibly wrong. We cherry pick which version we want to recall because it fits our narrative. I'm as guilty as anyone.

[Spurminator]

Not really. A Hillary victory would have locked up the Supreme Court for the left. It would have bolstered the electoral Blue Wall for decades to come through all the open borders and amnesty that would be coming down the pike. And it would have cost a lot of Republicans their seats (even Paul Ryan had to admit that Trump's coattails helped keep Congress under Republican control). The left would have been in a very strong position if Hillary won, and the GOP would have hit rock bottom.

I don't think you're understanding my point. This was an uninspiring election with two candidates that most people hated regardless of affiliation. A critical postmortem from a variety of perspectives is warranted regardless of who won.

[Clipper Nation]

I don't think you're understanding my point. This was an uninspiring election with two candidates that most people hated regardless of affiliation. A critical postmortem from a variety of perspectives is warranted regardless of who won.

It's true that many people weren't happy with either choice, but I don't see how that's relevant to your point that the left would still need to do some soul-searching about their "problems" even if Hillary won. None of the Democrats' problems right now would exist if Hillary won. They'd hold a significant amount of political power and the Clintons would still be ruling the roost, unlike their current situation of having no power, no clear leadership and a shallow bench. A Hillary victory would have required her holding onto the Rust Belt, which would have meant that the Democrats could still attract blue-collar whites. And they wouldn't need to change their smug and divisive rhetoric, because a Hillary victory would have sent the message that this is a strategy that works for them.

The only "problem" they'd still have is with the Bernie wing of the party, but if they mattered anywhere near as much as people claim, Bernie would have won the nomination and Bernie-friendly candidates/initiatives would have won downticket. They're just a loud and very salty minority in their own party. And yes, Hillary being an uninspiring president would be a problem, but at least she'd actually be the president. It still beats their current position of having nothing.

It's a common sports cliché that "winning fixes everything," and it definitely applies here. Unlike most elections, I think we'll look back on this one as the one that decided how the next few decades would go for both major parties. Regardless of the outcome, the winner would enjoy a ton of power both now and in the future (thanks to the Supreme Court), and the loser would be in deep .

[baseline bum]

I admitted that I didn't watch the whole of Farenheit, so don't throw that in my face.

What I hated about Fahrenheit 9/11 was this guilt by association and then you the viewer connect the dots crap because Bush's oil company had dealt with the bin Laden family. It's the same thing the right did to Obama with Bill Ayers. I mean a kid I grew up with and hung out with a lot when I was a kid went out and murdered someone a few years ago ergo I'm a s bag because of this association I had with him.

[Nbadan]

What I hated about Fahrenheit 9/11 was this guilt by association and then you the viewer connect the dots crap because Bush's oil company had dealt with the bin Laden family. It's the same thing the right did to Obama with Bill Ayers. I mean a kid I grew up with and hung out with a lot when I was a kid went out and murdered someone a few years ago ergo I'm a s bag because of this association I had with him.

Yikes, but some of those 911 dots have been connected pretty high in the Saudi hierarchy....911 was unlikely without Saudi money