mThanks bro!And we didn't even play 'Dallas' tonight.
It's so nice to see you here again!!
Glad to be here.
danny has definitely been better than simmons on D. simmons actually got benched this game for letting his man b-line straight to the rim with 5 seconds on the clock at the end of the halfI've no doubt Thibs would trade Zach "No Defense" Lavine & dump Cole Aldrich for Danny.
Danny hasn't been better than Simmons on D so I'm not sure there would be much of a drop-off defensively if Simmons started. Kyle can also guard the big wings like Dominos just as well as Danny at this point.
He's just having a Fathead moment tbh
Usual slump related to his annual groin mild injury
He doesn't get the ball enough to be LDN on offense anymore. I don't know what people expect, but spot-up guys can't get open on their own. None of them can. They need guys to screen for them or in the very least to give them space to lose their men. If the offense doesn't actually have that in their game, then you can't just make it happen. You can see him trying to make cuts to get an open three only to run into a post-up or iso on the other side and have to turn around. Dude's still shooting fine percentages, especially for him "slumping", but he isn't getting the attempts now, because the offense isn't organically giving him rhythmic looks.One of his biggest fans here, but he isn't a LDN anymore and I'm starting to lose hope that he'll ever be that again.
And yes, he was totally fouled on his last attempt. Horford never even got to touch the ball, because Smart hit Green's elbow on the way up.
Defensively, he really hasn't been any different in terms of his straight man defense. Dude was unlucky as last night with the fouls (especially that so many were and-1s), and that's happened before. His defense has never really "looked" consistently good. It was just really effective. He actually did a good job last night, though with how many times the Spurs switched, it's hard to quantify that without going through a lot of analysis. He wasn't the one who got pulled aside by Pop for his D last night.
His biggest issue is a lack of impact plays on that end. Dude's not getting the blocks and steals he usually gets. That may be because people are attacking his side more, which means he's not on the weak side to get blocks. He also seems to be going for verticality more this season rather than swiping down. That's going to limit his blocks, though I imagine his rim-protection numbers are still strong.
I'm not worried about Green long-term. He looked much worse this time last year, and he was LDN in the playoffs. He's second on the team in TS%. People who think he's going to score 12-plus points on his 6.8 possessions per game are unrealistic.
he's simply out of the offensive scheme. This year we are playing more of an old school style and there just aren't many touches for the 5th option, that's why KA is struggling and that's why LDN is struggling. Their job is to defend so that is what they do.
/threadddd
No drive and kick, no Danny Green. The Spurs don't have anybody who drives and forces the defense to collapse. They have old guys (tony Manu) who can be easily guarded one on one on the perimeter and when they drive. They get blocked by the player guarding them, or a big sliding over. They don't cause guys to slide of the perimeter to help anymore.
Because of that, guys stay home on their man so when there is a kick to an "open" player, his defender is already within position to contest the shot or make him pass.
Pat has a super quick release and can also put the ball on the floor if needed. Bertrans is tall so he can still get his shot off and also isn't afraid to pull up the a couple feet behind the line. Unfortunately Danny Green is the odd man out in the situation because he has a slower release, jumps forward when he shoots, and is a disaster when he puts it on the floor.
If this team got any worse defensively, they couldn't put up enough points to win most games. So they would have to replace Danny with someone who is at least as good a defender. And to improve as a team, the replacement would also have to be a good 3P shooter, because he couldn't take shots away from anyone else. That's a pretty short list of replacements.
The team is better when Danny is hitting 3's - no doubt about it. I used to think his shot was coming back. Not so much anymore.
He's signed through 18-19. Try and picture 18-19 and ask yourself: is he likely to be getting an even bigger contract to start the 19-20 season... or is he more likely to be playing for 3-4 Mil somewhere?
Danny is fine. But he can't put the ball on the floor without it being a disaster. Now he can't shoot 3's at a compe ive percentage. That's a pretty limited skill set. If he loses anything at all on defense, he's got negative value. That's an adequate player, not LDN.
If he doesn't shoot well and sucks on D, then yes, he will be a bad player. "Long-term" means this year for me, though. At his age, he could start declining at any time, though I think he'll still be in the league until his mid-30s (like Battier) unless he just doesn't want to do it anymore.
I think he'll get a similar contract, especially from the Spurs. Wouldn't be surprised to see Danny opt in and sign an extension if everything remains the same as far as his relationship with PATFO. I hope no one regrets his contract right now.
I find it hard to predict anything once Pop retires.
That sounded like a gaming thing.
Somebody make an unlock Danny pic thingy.
Understand your point, but Battier is a poor comparison. Battier could play 3 positions and was a much more versatile player on both ends, with an elite bball IQ that made up for his athletic decline. Danny can be a bone head at times, and is not a versatile player on the offensive end. I think his decline is sooner than you're implying. We'll see.
I don't think this is athletic decline related.
I am more worried about Lamarcus myself.
Not yet, but his athletic decline will be tied to his overall decline as a player. His value is tied to guarding quicker players/playmakers well. Without that skill, his value drops tremendously -- he'll be like a late career Keith Bogans/Udoka type of contributor (not worthy of an extension --4th or 5th wing type of ceiling).
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I don't think Battier's stats really show him to be a versatile player, especially in his prime. He was never a big scorer on offense, and was never a dynamic shooter. Battier being able to play the four extended his career, but he also retired early. Look at guys like Barnes who are the same age as Battier was when he retired. It's not a great feat to be productive at 35 in today's league.
We'll definitely see. But it's a strange day we Spurs fans are trying to act like 29 is getting old for a player.
I am more concerned about Lamarcus bc he hasn't been playing well and to me it sounds fishy he's getting so much rest in the season.
In his younger days he carried a huge load offensively and minutes wise for Portland. I get concerned with guys who all of a sudden have nags and little things here or there that need nursing. For better or worse I am reminded of Tony and how his real decline from his prime started with him looking brittle and being undependable to stay on the court bc of a nag, a bruise, a pull here or there, etc.
I hope to be wrong about Lamarcus.... but the Danny thing I really don't think it's age. He has looked well athletically to me. He could have made a mistake here or there.... but it doesn't seem like he's any slower on his feet laterally.
Anyways, I missed the last game... so all these threads I really probably shouldn't be giving opinions on.
Never said he's getting old. Just seems he peaked a few years ago overall and that his athletic decline will be tied to his decline. In my opinion.
You don't have to be a big scorer to be versatile, you can be versatile mentally and be able to get to certain spots on the floor with fluidity and a purpose when the D closes out hard. Battier was very fluid player with a very high IQ. If Danny isn't shooting threes he's dribbling into trouble most of the time and is a mess more often than not. I don't see them as comparable players.
Yeah, if you're talking this year, then I'm 100% onboard. Longer term? I've totally given up on Danny learning how to dive and score. If he can't shoot 3-pointers at a reliable percentage, he's a one-dimensional player, which means he has zero room for slippage. I could see the Spurs keeping him at the same price or less, though, as long as he's still playing good D.
To be fair, he's shooting a good percentage from 3P this year. He's just not putting up many shots of any kind. Some of that is his fault, but a lot of it isn't. I'm watching the fact that his RB, STL, and BLK numbers are down significantly - especially compared to couple of years ago. Last year's Danny was disappointing, and so far this year's looks worse. By any measure that shows up on a stat sheet, Danny appears to be in a steady 2-year decline.
To be even more fair, there's no Tim Duncan anchoring the defense. And there's no big man (Tim Duncan) demanding attention in the paint, so that he can sit in the corner like Bruce Bowen, and shoot wide-open short 3's. The more I watch this team, the more I think we under-estimated Tim, even at the end of last season.
They have differences, I agree. I don't think Danny's physically declined. He might have mentally peaked, though. He's pretty much done everything you can expect a role-player to do. He's rich. He has a ring. It's hard to get caught up in the daily run of the regular season when you've done it all the time. He turned it on last playoffs just fine, which is why I doubt it has anything to do with him physically.
However, it's a solid fact that the offense is not getting him looks anymore. I don't think there's any point in wondering about things with him when he's getting so few looks. His USG% has dropped off considerably as the offense has moved away from the system and more toward individuals.
I love Danny, always have. And I don't think he's physically declined yet, I'm just saying that it could be sooner than we expect since his type of athletic ability is one of a different kind -- being tied to his foot speed/lateral movement. Also, he doesn't have the elite IQ that can prolong his effectiveness throughout the latter part of his career IMO. Pop still has to stay on his ass from game to game about the most basic mistakes and he seems lost too often on offense when he has the ball in hard close outs when he's spotting up.
By the time the Spurs get the needed facilitator to open things up again for the weakside shooters, Danny's overall effectiveness on D might be gone -- which is tied to his overall value since his IQ won't be able to save him like a Battier or Barnes. I've already began to see more blow bye's than I'm used to seeing when Danny is defending the ball.
I don't see Danny having the type of impact of a Battier did in the latter part of his career.
Again, I'm not implying Spurs need to trade him. I think he has another 2 solid years in him, but I think his decline will come sooner than you expect.
He honestly sucks all the same on 2k17!
he's just not compe ive.
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