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I have hope that the Pau's laziness on the defensive end and when it comes to rebounding may just be a sign of him coasting in the regular season, especially at his age. I hope/think he will turn it on in the playoffs.
Pau is a monster on both ends. Only thing this team needs to ring this year is for Pop to give Kyle a chance to shine. #freeSloMo
I have hope that the Pau's laziness on the defensive end and when it comes to rebounding may just be a sign of him coasting in the regular season, especially at his age. I hope/think he will turn it on in the playoffs.
I thought Pops interview where he said "I shouldn't have to give rah rah speeches to get these guys ready to play. If you're a plumber, you come ready to do good work or you don't get work" etc
was aimed at Pau and LMA. Fitted both of them.
Since then we have definitely seen more effort out of Pau. LMA still slacks occasionally on defense but also has been much better since that.
It seems we all think and hope is that.
I understand, mid-late 30s suck.
I didn't mind the Pau signing and figured he would be an upgrade over Duncan, but Pau is just a nice stat-padder against garbage teams, tbh..to be fair, so was Duncan last season, as well..their advanced metrics appear to be better than they actually are due to the number of games they play against bad teams in a league that is top-heavy..it's very easy to mask their flaws on a team with the Spurs system and continuity where they just have to catch and finish..
Worst pick&roll defenders among starting bigs the past 2 seasons:
Jokic 1.1 PPP
Valenciunas 1.09
Drummond 1.06
Plumlee 1.02
Pau 1.02
It won't be as much of a concern against the Warriors(his post game sucks now, though, so that will be a larger concern vs. GS), since they don't utilize their bigs in pick&roll, nor do their wing players attack the rim through it, either, but Gasol will be unplayable vs. teams that rely on it for primary offense like the Rockets and Clippers..
Pau's raw numbers, this season:
vs. lottery teams: 18 games, 15 PPG on 57.5% eFG
vs. West playoff teams: 9 games, 9.7 PPG on 49.3% eFG
He's a nice gimmick during the RS, he will be unplayable against athletic playoff teams..
I also find it funny that Mid had to include a caveat for using BPM to defend Pau, since it's a stat that supports players he argues against, while ranking a certain player he loves as the least valuable player on the team(in regards to the way he plays his role)
Midnughtpulp cheering for Porker, Pau and LMA..Players who are known for lockerrom issues, diva, stat padding etc.I didn't mind the Pau signing and figured he would be an upgrade over Duncan, but Pau is just a nice stat-padder against garbage teams, tbh..to be fair, so was Duncan last season, as well..their advanced metrics appear to be better than they actually are due to the number of games they play against bad teams in a league that is top-heavy..it's very easy to mask their flaws on a team with the Spurs system and continuity where they just have to catch and finish..
Worst pick&roll defenders among starting bigs the past 2 seasons:
Jokic 1.1 PPP
Valenciunas 1.09
Drummond 1.06
Plumlee 1.02
Pau 1.02
It won't be as much of a concern against the Warriors(his post game sucks now, though, so that will be a larger concern vs. GS), since they don't utilize their bigs in pick&roll, nor do their wing players attack the rim through it, either, but Gasol will be unplayable vs. teams that rely on it for primary offense like the Rockets and Clippers..
Pau's raw numbers, this season:
vs. lottery teams: 18 games, 15 PPG on 57.5% eFG
vs. West playoff teams: 9 games, 9.7 PPG on 49.3% eFG
He's a nice gimmick during the RS, he will be unplayable against athletic playoff teams..
I also find it funny that Mid had to include a caveat for using BPM to defend Pau, since it's a stat that supports players he argues against, while ranking a certain player he loves as the least valuable player on the team(in regards to the way he plays his role)
Found himself in the wrong end of the spectrum
^^
OP using BPM.I didn't mind the Pau signing and figured he would be an upgrade over Duncan, but Pau is just a nice stat-padder against garbage teams, tbh..to be fair, so was Duncan last season, as well..their advanced metrics appear to be better than they actually are due to the number of games they play against bad teams in a league that is top-heavy..it's very easy to mask their flaws on a team with the Spurs system and continuity where they just have to catch and finish..
Worst pick&roll defenders among starting bigs the past 2 seasons:
Jokic 1.1 PPP
Valenciunas 1.09
Drummond 1.06
Plumlee 1.02
Pau 1.02
It won't be as much of a concern against the Warriors(his post game sucks now, though, so that will be a larger concern vs. GS), since they don't utilize their bigs in pick&roll, nor do their wing players attack the rim through it, either, but Gasol will be unplayable vs. teams that rely on it for primary offense like the Rockets and Clippers..
Pau's raw numbers, this season:
vs. lottery teams: 18 games, 15 PPG on 57.5% eFG
vs. West playoff teams: 9 games, 9.7 PPG on 49.3% eFG
He's a nice gimmick during the RS, he will be unplayable against athletic playoff teams..
I also find it funny that Mid had to include a caveat for using BPM to defend Pau, since it's a stat that supports players he argues against, while ranking a certain player he loves as the least valuable player on the team(in regards to the way he plays his role)
What about porker?
Nah I think it was him that did that airball shot right after Manu turned the ball over. LA didn't take the ball out of bounds.
Today's HOFers^^
Crofl. Go ducks yourself got ass OP. ass .
Not only that, but they refuse to use gender-neutral pronouns. And Pau man-spreads on the shuttle from the airport. There is some very serious going on with this Spurs roster.
This.I didn't mind the Pau signing and figured he would be an upgrade over Duncan, but Pau is just a nice stat-padder against garbage teams, tbh..to be fair, so was Duncan last season, as well..their advanced metrics appear to be better than they actually are due to the number of games they play against bad teams in a league that is top-heavy..it's very easy to mask their flaws on a team with the Spurs system and continuity where they just have to catch and finish..
Worst pick&roll defenders among starting bigs the past 2 seasons:
Jokic 1.1 PPP
Valenciunas 1.09
Drummond 1.06
Plumlee 1.02
Pau 1.02
It won't be as much of a concern against the Warriors(his post game sucks now, though, so that will be a larger concern vs. GS), since they don't utilize their bigs in pick&roll, nor do their wing players attack the rim through it, either, but Gasol will be unplayable vs. teams that rely on it for primary offense like the Rockets and Clippers..
Pau's raw numbers, this season:
vs. lottery teams: 18 games, 15 PPG on 57.5% eFG
vs. West playoff teams: 9 games, 9.7 PPG on 49.3% eFG
He's a nice gimmick during the RS, he will be unplayable against athletic playoff teams..
I also find it funny that Mid had to include a caveat for using BPM to defend Pau, since it's a stat that supports players he argues against, while ranking a certain player he loves as the least valuable player on the team(in regards to the way he plays his role)
Harlem knows his ... tbh..
Hi defense will always negate whatever he does on offense
I just included BPM because the Helmet crew loves to use it when comparing Parker and House.I didn't mind the Pau signing and figured he would be an upgrade over Duncan, but Pau is just a nice stat-padder against garbage teams, tbh..to be fair, so was Duncan last season, as well..their advanced metrics appear to be better than they actually are due to the number of games they play against bad teams in a league that is top-heavy..it's very easy to mask their flaws on a team with the Spurs system and continuity where they just have to catch and finish..
Worst pick&roll defenders among starting bigs the past 2 seasons:
Jokic 1.1 PPP
Valenciunas 1.09
Drummond 1.06
Plumlee 1.02
Pau 1.02
It won't be as much of a concern against the Warriors(his post game sucks now, though, so that will be a larger concern vs. GS), since they don't utilize their bigs in pick&roll, nor do their wing players attack the rim through it, either, but Gasol will be unplayable vs. teams that rely on it for primary offense like the Rockets and Clippers..
Pau's raw numbers, this season:
vs. lottery teams: 18 games, 15 PPG on 57.5% eFG
vs. West playoff teams: 9 games, 9.7 PPG on 49.3% eFG
He's a nice gimmick during the RS, he will be unplayable against athletic playoff teams..
I also find it funny that Mid had to include a caveat for using BPM to defend Pau, since it's a stat that supports players he argues against, while ranking a certain player he loves as the least valuable player on the team(in regards to the way he plays his role)
I don't really like BPM. Nor do I like RPM. The latter of which commits a huge fault by its Bayesian inference model. This means that a player can pad for 2 minutes in garbage time, and then the model "infers" that production over 48 minutes. It supposedly adjusts for compe ion, but at best it could only be an arbitrary guesstimate. It's a highly overrated stat.
In general, basketball "advanced stats" are garbage. I used to be a big defender, but since I've gotten more into baseball stats over these past couple of years, basketball advanced stats are in the stone age by comparison. We still don't have a consistency metric (i.e take two players who average 11ppg. The raw stats and even advanced metrics might have them as equals, but if one player obtains his 11ppg by way of scoring 20 this game, 2 the next game, 17 this game, 5 the next game while the other does it in a 12, 10, 9, 13 way, the latter player is more consistent and easier to gameplan for in an offense).
The stats I trust most right now are empirically harder stats. I don't necessarily even like TS% because of how it essentially equalizes 4-10 from three to 6-10 from two. 6-10 from two, especially from 0-10 feet, is more effective than 4-10 from range. The former is easier to offensive rebound for and produces 4 less potential fast break opportunities, while a missed 3 point shot is the worst miss in basketball because of how it can initiate the fast break.
I digress. Stats I like the most:
- Raw FGA and FG% broken down into 0-3 feet, 3-10 feet, 10-16 feet, 16-23 feet, 23 feet and beyond.
This illustrates how a player attacks and his efficiency in those areas, obviously. It will also tell us if player is generally taking good shots (his comfort zone/hot spots) or chucking/forcing. But it can better define the effectiveness of player than something like TS%. Example: Westbrook (2017, 32ppg) vs. Curry (2016, 31.5ppg). Last season, Curry's TS% was 125 points higher than Westbrook's TS this season. Russ is shooting a cool .427 from the field, but from 0-10 feet (the paint) he's shooting about 50% with 50% of his overall attempts coming in that area. By contrast, Curry only generated about 31% of his offense in the paint. Purely going by metrics such as TS% and PPS, Curry demolishes Westbrook in offensive efficiency, but when you consider where Russ generates his offense, his lack of efficiency won't be much of a detriment, since his offensive style prevents more fast break opportunities and is easier to offensive rebound for.
Point is, you can't just flat out declare one player more offensively effective by looking at TS% and PPP without considering where a player is operating from. I'd rather have a paint attacker than a shooter, even if the shooter has better offensive efficiency. Though there is a tipping point. I obviously wouldn't want a paint attacker with an egregiously low efficiency.
- FT%. Goes without saying.
- Freethrow Rate. Ditto.
- Turnovers. Pretty black and white stat. A player gave the other team the ball.
- Steals and blocks. These need to be supported by an eye test (if a player is gambling a lot for steals and blocks, he might produce a nice per game stat, but gave up a lot of easy looks in the process). Tells us how many times a player produced an extra possession for his team and how many times he prevented a shot attempt.
- Fouls. Underrated stat. A foul prone player who plays an important role can be a big detriment (i.e. Dwight Howard).
- Rebound rate.
/end stat diatribe
As for Gasol's numbers against playoff teams, I don't think 10ppg on 49% is bad for his price, role and age. I'm sure you've seen how poorly the more expensive Mozgov is playing, for example?
Who's the player I love? Parker?
No. I'm just all in him. No other choice. House isn't a solution to that problem.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 01-13-2017 at 10:52 PM.
Oh, team advanced stats are fine because they overcome the difficulty/near impossibility of trying to quantify individual effectiveness (using a variety of statistical guesstimate models that statisticians don't even agree on) in a game where the whole (team) is much, much greater than the sum of its parts.
You don't need to apply much inference to team stats. Spurs beat a team by 20, they are clearly +20 over that team over 48 played minutes.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 01-13-2017 at 11:08 PM.
I've been a Pau fan since his Vancouver Grizzlies days.
FIFYThere was never a time when Pau Gasol was the best player on the planet.......
He never played in Vancouver. The Grizzlies' first season in Memphis was Pau's rookie season.
This soft giraffe needs to go and work on his free throws again..Dude is getting the Deandre treatment and it going to kill us in close playoffs games..he's been abysmal at the line this year (67%) and opposing coaches have taken notice......
1-6 FT shooting. Pathetic. him. Hope he never makes it back from Mexico.
did you forget to read your original post?
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