Immigration freeze omits countries linked to attacks in the US

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How, though, did the Trump administration choose these seven Muslim-majority countries? The truth is it didn't: The countries were chosen during Barack Obama's presidency.

According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

So, in a nuts , Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-...administration

I could be wrong but flatly banning anyone just because you're coming from a certain country is entirely different than not allowing a person entering the country without a visa.

Furthermore, the article talks about the choosing of the countries..not the who.

It seems like if you're a muslin, you cant come in.

Did we read a different article or what?

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US airports on frontline as Trump immigration ban causes chaos and controversy

Homeland security says green card holders included while ACLU files lawsuit after two Iraqi men detained at New York’s JFK airport despite having valid visas

Trash’s executive order to close America’s borders to refugees and immigrants from some Muslim-majority countries caused chaos on Saturday, as people who had flown to the US were held at major airports while others were barred from boarding flights or were pulled off planes overseas.

By Saturday evening, there were 11 people in detention at New York City’s John F Kennedy airport who had arrived from Iraq and other barred countries, according to two Democratic members of Congress, Jerry Nadler and Nydia Velazquez, who joined protests at the airport.

According to representatives of immigration and civil rights group who spoke to reporters on a group call, other travellers were being held in Atlanta, Houston and Detroit.

Pre-approved refugees, students and workers holding visas and residency green cards were barred from flights to the US, according to reports emerging from Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Cairo and other cities across Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

As confusion reigned, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security confirmed to Reuters that people with green cards, making them legal permanent US residents, were included in the ban.

“It will bar green card holders,”

A state department spokesman confirmed to the Guardian that travellers who have dual nationality between a country on the list and another non-US country, for instance UK-Iraqi or Canadian-Somali citizenship,are barred from entering the US for 90 days.

The order provides for giving priority to religious minorities in those Muslim countries; Trump has said the US will in future prioritise Christian refugees.

“dozens remain detained” around the US amid confusion between local authorities, federal agencies, attorneys and the White House. “Nobody knows at this point.”

The checked her social media accounts, went through her phone, asked her about her politics, it was very intimidating,” Yegani said.

“This really undermines core American values and the US cons ution. I would not be surprised if the legal challenges to this end up at the supreme court.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rump?CMP=fb_gu

All y'all Trash voters, xenphobes, rednecks, Islamaphobes, Christian Taliban, bubbas, kickers happy?

[djohn2oo8]

where is the AllLivesMatter crew?

[Trill Clinton]

[baseline bum]

LOL the wingnuts here love executive orders now.

[baseline bum]

where is the AllLivesMatter crew?

It's the AltLivesMatter crew

[Reck]

Trump and his cronies didn't think this one through.

There is all kinds of loopholes that would over legit, innocent people from re-entering the US after they leave.

Earlier today I read an article about an Iranian film maker not being able to attend the Oscars because he's stuck there now and cant come in.

Trump is a ing moron. But the people who voted in angst of Hillary knew what they were getting so they get to eat this dump they got served.

[baseline bum]

Trump and his cronies didn't think this one through.

There is all kinds of loopholes that would over legit, innocent people from re-entering the US after they leave.

Earlier today I read an article about an Iranian film maker not being able to attend the Oscars because he's stuck there now and cant come in.

Trump is a ing moron. But the people who voted in angst of Hillary knew what they were getting so they get to eat this dump they got served.

A week in and this guy is a ing disaster already. I can't wait for 20% higher grocery bills until summer thanks to head.

[DPG21920]

This stuff is crazy. I guess my questions are - do people here believe there are true threats to our country's security? If so, what can reasonably be done to truly help prevent this?

I know this is harsh and there are so many innocent people caught in the cross-hairs but is added diligence in this area truly a bad thing? If you are being vetted heavily, you can still get in eventually correct or am I missing something?

It feels wrong, but it also feels like the world is bat crazy right now with bombings and killings all over the world. So what can be done? Or do people really think it's a non-issue? Or just take issue that it's selective profiling? Or that they didn't go far enough to make sure people that already have been here with legal visa's aren't caught up in this?

[baseline bum]

So he can't be traded to an Eastern Conference team at the deadline then.

[Spurminator]

This stuff is crazy. I guess my questions are - do people here believe there are true threats to our country's security?

Absolutely. But, historically, those threats have been from people who already lived here, with weapons they got here. To reduce or eliminate those threats requires sacrifice on our part, which we're not comfortable with, so it let's just ban the people who don't live here because they ain't us.

This makes us less safe. Much less.

[ElNono]

How, though, did the Trump administration choose these seven Muslim-majority countries? The truth is it didn't: The countries were chosen during Barack Obama's presidency.

According to the draft copy of Trump's executive order, the countries whose citizens are barred entirely from entering the United States is based on a bill that Obama signed into law in December 2015.

Obama signed the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill. The legislation restricted access to the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens from 38 countries who are visiting the United States for less than 90 days to enter without a visa.

So, in a nuts , Obama restricted visa waivers for those seven Muslim-majority countries — Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen — and now, Trump is looking to bar immigration and visitors from the same list of countries.

https://mic.com/articles/166845/the-...administration

The Visa waiver program is a completely different animal. That's for tourists. Green card holders are not part of it (A green card is actually a visa).

This ban is a completely different thing.

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Trump and his cronies didn't think this one through.

There is all kinds of loopholes that would over legit, innocent people from re-entering the US after they leave.

Earlier today I read an article about an Iranian film maker not being able to attend the Oscars because he's stuck there now and cant come in.

Trump is a ing moron. But the people who voted in angst of Hillary knew what they were getting so they get to eat this dump they got served.

Canada covered it today by happily opening their country to the hordes.

Scotland too.

Go there, the doors are wide open.

[DPG21920]

Absolutely. But, historically, those threats have been from people who already lived here, with weapons they got here. To reduce or eliminate those threats requires sacrifice on our part, which we're not comfortable with, so it let's just ban the people who don't live here because they ain't us.

This makes us less safe. Much less.

What do you mean by this makes us much less safe?

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What a sweet nite it shall be.

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What do you mean by this makes us much less safe?

Because the head choppers in those countries are angry because we didn't let the nice people in their country into this country.

[ElNono]

This stuff is crazy. I guess my questions are - do people here believe there are true threats to our country's security? If so, what can reasonably be done to truly help prevent this?

I know this is harsh and there are so many innocent people caught in the cross-hairs but is added diligence in this area truly a bad thing? If you are being vetted heavily, you can still get in eventually correct or am I missing something?

It feels wrong, but it also feels like the world is bat crazy right now with bombings and killings all over the world. So what can be done? Or do people really think it's a non-issue? Or just take issue that it's selective profiling? Or that they didn't go far enough to make sure people that already have been here with legal visa's aren't caught up in this?

AFAIK, there's a 90 day ban order, whether you're a legal visa holder or not. Nobody knows if this is to vet these people during that time or what.

The biggest problem is with actual permanent residents. It's people legally living and working in the US, and the previous step to actual citizenship. It's crazy that those people now can't even go overseas to conduct businesses, etc, for fear of effectively being unable to come back in to their families, homes and jobs. I have to suspect the bans will be lifted by court order soon, I don't think that's really even legal.

The rest, refugees, tourists, etc, is more debatable.

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[[[“No person outside of the United States has a “RIGHT” to come to, or live in the United States of America.
Guest visitation (Visa approval) is a privilege, and emigration is entirely a structure of policy controlled by the executive branch of the U.S. through the Department of State.”]]]

[DPG21920]

AFAIK, there's a 90 day ban order, whether you're a legal visa holder or not. Nobody knows if this is to vet these people during that time or what.

The biggest problem is with actual permanent residents. It's people legally living and working in the US, and the previous step to actual citizenship. It's crazy that those people now can't even go overseas to conduct businesses, etc, for fear of effectively being unable to come back in to their families, homes and jobs. I have to suspect the bans will be lifted by court order soon, I don't think that's really even legal.

The rest, refugees, tourists, etc, is more debatable.

Ya - I agree. I believe there are real threats and terrorist exist and do really bad things. I have no problem with making things more strict.

I do agree that for people that have already been here, this is scary and tough, but this is a new thing and what I don't get is people not talking about the overall merits (I'm not sure what I believe to be the right thing to do here for this problem).

But obviously for people that have already been here legally, this is a massive issue and I absoultely think that portion of it needs to be addressed. I'm just interested to see how many people agree with the premise/objective overall if that portion was addressed.

[Spurminator]

What do you mean by this makes us much less safe?

It's provocation of people living here who are on the verge of becoming terrorists.

ISIS' strategy is to create a rift between the Muslim and Western world, and to recruit people who believe the West is out to get them. They recruit domestic sympathizers on the web. They're not trying to cir vent a months-to-years-long refugee vetting process to place people here.

Trump just handed them some great recruiting material.

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It's provocation of people living here who are on the verge of becoming terrorists.

ISIS' strategy is to create a rift between the Muslim and Western world, and to recruit people who believe the West is out to get them. They recruit domestic sympathizers on the web. They're not trying to cir vent a months-to-years-long refugee vetting process to place people here.

Trump just handed them some great recruiting material.

Well, they were cutting our heads off anyway. Now they'll really be cutting them off, eh?

[Spurminator]

And this isn't to sound Chicken Little. I still believe you are very, very unlikely to encounter a terrorist attack in this country, even after the ban. But it's an irrational reaction based on irrational fear, and if we're that scared of a foreign/Muslim extremist threat, this strategy doesn't even make sense.

[DPG21920]

It's provocation of people living here who are on the verge of becoming terrorists.

ISIS' strategy is to create a rift between the Muslim and Western world, and to recruit people who believe the West is out to get them. They recruit domestic sympathizers on the web. They're not trying to cir vent a months-to-years-long refugee vetting process to place people here.

Trump just handed them some great recruiting material.

So we should walk on egg s s for terrorists that might already be here?

[DPG21920]

And this isn't to sound Chicken Little. I still believe you are very, very unlikely to encounter a terrorist attack in this country, even after the ban. But it's an irrational reaction based on irrational fear, and if we're that scared of a foreign/Muslim extremist threat, this strategy doesn't even make sense.

Perfect - so this is what I was getting at. If we believe there to be a real threat (I personally do - I think there has been enough proof that terrorism even if statistically unlikely to be felt here on a consistent wide scale is a real issue) what is the right plan of attack?

Why is this, if amended to not impact those already legally being here, not the right path and what would be?

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Perfect - so this is what I was getting at. If we believe there to be a real threat (I personally do - I think there has been enough proof that terrorism even if statistically unlikely to be felt here on a consistent wide scale) what is the right plan of attack?

Why is this, if amended to not impact those already legally being here, not the right path and what would be?

“No person outside of the United States has a “RIGHT” to come to, or live in the United States of America.
Guest visitation (Visa approval) is a privilege, and emigration is entirely a structure of policy controlled by the executive branch of the U.S. through the Department of State.”