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    Now you know how I feel when I read your pathetic posts.

    You're right. I should think before I waste any more time responding to your drivel.

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    from a conservative, probably as good a take as any. shrub has ed his sycophantic -sucker. For a lawyer, she can't write for .

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    The New York Times
    October 13, 2005

    Op-Ed Columnist

    In Her Own Words
    By DAVID BROOKS

    Of all the words written about Harriet Miers, none are more disturbing than the ones she wrote herself. In the early 90's, while she was president of the Texas bar association, Miers wrote a column called "President's Opinion" for The Texas Bar Journal. It is the largest body of public writing we have from her, and sad to say, the quality of thought and writing doesn't even rise to the level of pedestrian.

    Of course, we have to make allowances for the fact that the first job of any association president is to not offend her members. Still, nothing excuses sentences like this:

    "More and more, the intractable problems in our society have one answer: broad-based intolerance of unacceptable conditions and a commitment by many to fix problems."

    Or this: "We must end collective acceptance of inappropriate conduct and increase education in professionalism."

    Or this: "When consensus of diverse leadership can be achieved on issues of importance, the greatest impact can be achieved."

    Or passages like this: "An organization must also implement programs to fulfill strategies established through its goals and mission. Methods for evaluation of these strategies are a necessity. With the framework of mission, goals, strategies, programs, and methods for evaluation in place, a meaningful budgeting process can begin."

    Or, finally, this: "We have to understand and appreciate that achieving justice for all is in jeopardy before a call to arms to assist in obtaining support for the justice system will be effective. Achieving the necessary understanding and appreciation of why the challenge is so important, we can then turn to the task of providing the much needed support."

    I don't know if by mere quotation I can fully convey the relentless march of vapid abstractions that mark Miers's prose. Nearly every idea is vague and depersonalized. Nearly every debatable point is elided. It's not that Miers didn't attempt to tackle interesting subjects. She wrote about unequal access to the justice system, about the underrepresentation of minorities in the law and about whether pro bono work should be mandatory. But she presents no arguments or ideas, except the repe ion of the bromide that bad things can be eliminated if people of good will come together to eliminate bad things.

    Or as she puts it, "There is always a necessity to tend to a myriad of responsibilities on a number of cases as well as matters not directly related to the practice of law." And yet, "Disciplining ourselves to provide the opportunity for thought and analysis has to rise again to a high priority."

    Throw aside ideology. Surely the threshold skill required of a Supreme Court justice is the ability to write clearly and argue incisively. Miers's columns provide no evidence of that.

    The Miers nomination has reopened the rift between conservatives and establishment Republicans.

    The conservative movement was founded upon the supposition that ideas have consequences. Conservatives have founded so many think tanks, magazines and organizations, like the Federalist Society, because they believe that you have to win arguments to win political power. They dream of Supreme Court justices capable of writing brilliant opinions that will reshape the battle of ideas.

    Republicans, who these days are as likely to be members of the corporate establishment as the evangelical establishment, are more su ious of intellectuals and ideas, and more likely to believe that politics is about deal-making, loyalty and power. You know you are in establishment Republican circles when the conversation is bland but unifying. You know you are in conservative circles when it is interesting but divisive. Conservatives err by becoming irresponsible. Republicans tend to be blown about haplessly by forces they cannot understand.

    For the first years of his presidency, George Bush healed the division between Republicans and conservatives by pursuing big conservative goals with ruthless Republican discipline. But Harriet Miers has shown no loyalty to conservative ins utions like the Federalist Society. Her loyalty has been to the person of the president, and her mental style seems to be Republicanism on stilts.

    So conservatives are caught between loyalty to their ideas and loyalty to the president they admire. Most of them have come out against Miers - quietly or loudly. Establishment Republicans are displaying their natural loyalty to leadership. And Miers is caught in the vise between these two forces, a smart and good woman who has been put in a position where she cannot succeed.

    * Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

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    You're right. I should think before I waste any more time...
    No U dumb !

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    It's just not the nuances that dubya never gets, he misses the Big Picture(s). His ignorance of federal government and Cons utional issues is appropriate for someone who is a "C student" in life and in politics. The Dunce of Oz will be further exposed when slimebag Rove is forced to resign under indictment. shrub is just the kind of malleable idiot that so much of red-state America likes because he's a simpleton like themselves, that the behind-the-scenes Repub string-pullers love to have a front man for their schemes to destroy federal government while pillaging it for the rich and corps.

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    October 13, 2005

    Bush Criticized Over Emphasis on Religion of Nominee
    By ELISABETH BUMILLER

    WASHINGTON, Oct. 12 - President Bush prompted criticism from the right and the left on Wednesday after he said White House officials had told conservative supporters about the religious beliefs of his latest Supreme Court nominee, Harriet E. Miers, as part of an "outreach effort" to explain who she is.

    "People ask me why I picked Harriet Miers," Mr. Bush told reporters in the Oval Office. "They want to know Harriet Miers's background, they want to know as much as they possibly can before they form opinions. And part of Harriet Miers's life is her religion."

    Mr. Bush made his comments only weeks after some conservatives declared that any discussion of the religion of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. should be off limits in his confirmation process and that questions about his views amounted to an uncons utional "religious test" of his faith as a Roman Catholic.

    The president spoke on the same day that James C. Dobson, the founder of the conservative evangelical group Focus on the Family, said in remarks broadcast on his organization's radio program that Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, had assured him that Ms. Miers was an evangelical Christian and a member of "a very conservative church, which is almost universally pro-life."

    Mr. Dobson said Mr. Rove had given him the assurances in a conversation on Oct. 1, two days before Mr. Bush announced that Ms. Miers was his choice for the court.

    Mr. Dobson's private conversation with Mr. Rove had become an enormous source of speculation among both Democrats and Republicans. Mr. Dobson said he was revealing the substance of the conversation because both parties were demanding to know what he knew and because Mr. Rove had given him permission to do so.

    Mr. Dobson set off the frenzy last week when he said that he was supporting Ms. Miers because of something he had been told in confidence by the White House, a statement that led Democrats and Republicans alike to threaten to call him before the Judiciary Committee to testify.

    A questionnaire sent to Ms. Miers by the Senate Judiciary Committee touched on her views and the internal White House process of her nomination. Among many queries, the questionnaire asks Ms. Miers to list all interviews and communications she had with anyone in the executive office of the president or at the Justice Department about her nomination.

    The questionnaire, a standard part of the confirmation process, also asks Ms. Miers if anyone at the White House or Justice Department ever discussed with her any case or legal issue in a manner that appeared to solicit her opinion.

    The White House efforts to promote Ms. Miers's faith were criticized on Wednesday not only by groups on the left and the right, but also by Senator Richard J. Durbin, the Illinois Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. Some religious conservatives denounced Mr. Durbin when he tried to have a private discussion with Chief Justice Roberts about their shared Catholic religion during Chief Justice Roberts's confirmation process.

    "The White House is basically saying that because of Harriet Miers's religious beliefs, you can trust her," Mr. Durbin said in a telephone interview on Wednesday. "That to me is a complete reversal not only of the history of choosing Supreme Court nominees, but of where the White House was weeks ago with the nomination of John Roberts."

    Joseph Cella, the president of the conservative Catholic group Fidelis, said in a Wednesday editorial in the National Review Online that "how Miers lives her faith should have no place or bearing in her confirmation hearings" and concluded that "faith is too precious to be used as a trumpet or as a sword by those who either support or oppose a nominee."

    Mr. Dobson also said on the radio program that Mr. Rove had told him that some other candidates for the Supreme Court had taken themselves out of the running because "the process has become so vicious and so vitriolic and so bitter that they didn't want to subject themselves or the members of their families to it."

    Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, confirmed that "a couple" of people had withdrawn from a process that he said had become "rather ugly." Mr. McClellan would not name them, but he said, in response to a question about whether the process was keeping qualified people away: "Washington scares good people away? Is that new?"

    White House officials said that they still expected confirmation hearings to begin in mid-November and that Ms. Miers was spending this week completing the questionnaire from the Judiciary Committee about her background, financial dealings and career, including nearly 30 years as a lawyer in Texas and five years as staff secretary, deputy chief of staff and counsel at the White House.

    The questionnaire also asks Ms. Miers to explain how she would resolve any conflicts of interest "that may arise by virtue of your service in the Bush administration, as George W. Bush's personal lawyer, or as the lawyer for George W. Bush's gubernatorial and presidential campaigns."

    Stepping up a potential conflict with the administration over access to Ms. Miers's work in the White House, the questionnaire further asks Ms. Miers to "describe in detail any cases or matters you addressed as an attorney or public official which involved cons utional questions" and to provide any material related to those issues.

    Last week at a news conference, Mr. Bush signaled that he would most likely reject any requests from the Senate for do ents written by Ms. Miers during her time in the White House.

    David D. Kirkpatrick contributed reporting for this article.

    * Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

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    from a conservative, probably as good a take as any. shrub has ed his sycophantic -sucker. For a lawyer, she can't write for .

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    The New York Times
    October 13, 2005

    Op-Ed Columnist

    In Her Own Words
    By DAVID BROOKS

    Of all the words written about Harriet Miers, none are more disturbing than the ones she wrote herself. In the early 90's, while she was president of the Texas bar association, Miers wrote a column called "President's Opinion" for The Texas Bar Journal. It is the largest body of public writing we have from her, and sad to say, the quality of thought and writing doesn't even rise to the level of pedestrian.

    Of course, we have to make allowances for the fact that the first job of any association president is to not offend her members. Still, nothing excuses sentences like this:

    "More and more, the intractable problems in our society have one answer: broad-based intolerance of unacceptable conditions and a commitment by many to fix problems."

    Or this: "We must end collective acceptance of inappropriate conduct and increase education in professionalism."

    Or this: "When consensus of diverse leadership can be achieved on issues of importance, the greatest impact can be achieved."

    Or passages like this: "An organization must also implement programs to fulfill strategies established through its goals and mission. Methods for evaluation of these strategies are a necessity. With the framework of mission, goals, strategies, programs, and methods for evaluation in place, a meaningful budgeting process can begin."

    Or, finally, this: "We have to understand and appreciate that achieving justice for all is in jeopardy before a call to arms to assist in obtaining support for the justice system will be effective. Achieving the necessary understanding and appreciation of why the challenge is so important, we can then turn to the task of providing the much needed support."

    I don't know if by mere quotation I can fully convey the relentless march of vapid abstractions that mark Miers's prose. Nearly every idea is vague and depersonalized. Nearly every debatable point is elided. It's not that Miers didn't attempt to tackle interesting subjects. She wrote about unequal access to the justice system, about the underrepresentation of minorities in the law and about whether pro bono work should be mandatory. But she presents no arguments or ideas, except the repe ion of the bromide that bad things can be eliminated if people of good will come together to eliminate bad things.

    Or as she puts it, "There is always a necessity to tend to a myriad of responsibilities on a number of cases as well as matters not directly related to the practice of law." And yet, "Disciplining ourselves to provide the opportunity for thought and analysis has to rise again to a high priority."

    Throw aside ideology. Surely the threshold skill required of a Supreme Court justice is the ability to write clearly and argue incisively. Miers's columns provide no evidence of that.

    The Miers nomination has reopened the rift between conservatives and establishment Republicans.

    The conservative movement was founded upon the supposition that ideas have consequences. Conservatives have founded so many think tanks, magazines and organizations, like the Federalist Society, because they believe that you have to win arguments to win political power. They dream of Supreme Court justices capable of writing brilliant opinions that will reshape the battle of ideas.

    Republicans, who these days are as likely to be members of the corporate establishment as the evangelical establishment, are more su ious of intellectuals and ideas, and more likely to believe that politics is about deal-making, loyalty and power. You know you are in establishment Republican circles when the conversation is bland but unifying. You know you are in conservative circles when it is interesting but divisive. Conservatives err by becoming irresponsible. Republicans tend to be blown about haplessly by forces they cannot understand.

    For the first years of his presidency, George Bush healed the division between Republicans and conservatives by pursuing big conservative goals with ruthless Republican discipline. But Harriet Miers has shown no loyalty to conservative ins utions like the Federalist Society. Her loyalty has been to the person of the president, and her mental style seems to be Republicanism on stilts.

    So conservatives are caught between loyalty to their ideas and loyalty to the president they admire. Most of them have come out against Miers - quietly or loudly. Establishment Republicans are displaying their natural loyalty to leadership. And Miers is caught in the vise between these two forces, a smart and good woman who has been put in a position where she cannot succeed.
    * Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
    Come on bouts, no link? Couldn't google up her quotes...

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    I don't know but I think the hearings will decide if she is qaulified or not.. I don't understand all the uproar over this nomination after all it is only a nomination, which can either be accepted or rejected by the senate.. I say let the chips fall where they may...
    Why the uproar?

    Well, the first reaction was surprise and disappointment, which is understandable since conservatives had gotten their hopes up for one of the Federalist Society All-Stars.

    But since then, the White House has been on a bizarre binge of attacking conservative Republicans because they did not march in lock-step with the President, calling them "sexist," "elitist," and now "anti-evangelical."

    I mean, how stupid is that? How much of a ing idiot does a President have to be to go postal on his base? He's throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get his way.

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    The behavior makes sense if you view it as a matter of pre-emption. As in, the White House sought to pre-empt what it saw as a Democrat caucus ready to filibuster the next nominee. Problem is, it's looking more like a self-inflicted strategy at this point.

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    The behavior makes sense if you view it as a matter of pre-emption. As in, the White House sought to pre-empt what it saw as a Democrat caucus ready to filibuster the next nominee. Problem is, it's looking more like a self-inflicted strategy at this point.
    I agree, but as you say, the notion of such a strategy is almost wholly undone by the nomination of a person who, if she was not White House counsel, would have never been considered for that post. Bush is putting Republicans in a precarious position -- if they don't significantly question Miers (given her history), they will appear to be rubber stamping hacks for the President and his cronies. If they question her strenously and her answers give away her lack of qualification, but they vote for her anyway, they're in an even worse position. And if they do significantly question Miers, they appear to be moving away from the conservative base of the party.

    I'm not sure that the White House carefully considered those issues when deciding to nominate Miers.

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    Bush's top priorities in selecting justices have been:

    1) His personal impression of the person
    2) A philosophy of promoting expansive executive power
    3) A short paper trail
    4) Nominal conservatism

    Roberts met all of those criteria. That he is a brilliant legal mind with impeccable qualifications was merely incidental.

    Miers also meets all of these criteria.

    When Bush promised justices "like Scalia and Thomas," who "don't legislate from the bench," many folks thought he meant conservative textualists and originalists, as if Bush actually understands what those things mean.

    It doesn't appear he meant that. Not even Roberts is a true textualist/originalist. He takes a more pragmatic approach. Taken as loosely as possible, Bush may have meant only in the simplest terms, "justices who don't make it up as they go along," in accord with the GOP talking points. FWD has intimated in other threads how this criticism is often facile, though I would argue, somewhat irrevently, that Justice Douglas appears to have been stoned when he wrote some of his opinions, and that Justice Ginsburg, in her eagerness to cite international law, likes to look over the crowd and pick out her friends, to paraphrase Justice Scalia.

    Getting back to Bush, the obvious mistake in his priorities is a failure to establish an adequate level of professional qualifications for his choices. Also, his excessive personal loyalty distorts his judgment. This President places loyalty to himself above everything else, which explains his fondness for Miers in light of her longstading nauseatingly obsequious sycophancy, and also explains his petulant behavior towards his alleged ideological fellow-travelers following their unenthusiastic response to the nomination.

    Bush got away with his anti-intellectual gut decision with Cheney. Apparently, that gave him a false sense of infallibility in evaluating people, and now with Miers, that has blown up in his face. He clearly expected his supporters to cheer whatever decision he made, never even bothering to go back and check Miers' background, and thus was caught flatfooted in stunned silence when it blew up in his face.

    The White House never bothered to come up with a substantive fact sheet on Miers because Bush never figured he'd have to reassure conservatives. I believe he really thought people would say, "Yeah! Another stealth candidate the Democrats can't track! W stuck it to 'em again! Woo-hoo!"

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    I'm seeing two ways out for Bush at this point:

    1. Withdraw her name or allow her *wink* to do it.
    2. Turn the nomination into a mindnumbing abortion battle.

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    I'm seeing two ways out for Bush at this point:

    1. Withdraw her name or allow her *wink* to do it.
    2. Turn the nomination into a mindnumbing abortion battle.
    For #1, Miers has to do it herself. Bush is too proud and too stubborn to withdraw her name. He'll gladly take the Republican Party over a cliff before he admits he made a mistake on this one.

    As for #2, even a mind-numbing abortion battle won't help, because people will be asking, if you were willing to go to the mat in the Senate over this nomination, why didn't you nominate Edith Jones, Karen Williams, or Priscilla Owen?

    Besides, the Dems are too busy rolling on the floor laughing their asses off to fight the nomination. If she turns out to be anti-Roe on the court, then Harry Reid, as a pro-life Democrat, has won on all counts.

    Reid is pretty good at this politics stuff.

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    With #2, while that would obviously be the question in hindsight, the benefit is that Bush stands to energize the base with such a battle. If he wins, good for him and if he loses, then Miers is a martyr.

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    How can an abortion war be started? Wouldn't she have to just come out and say how she'd vote on an abortion case to raise any objections? I imagine Democrats would have to feel like this nominee will probably be the best they're ever going to see from Bush on that issue.

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    That's assuming she has to start it.

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    Ok, how else would it be started? A leak saying how she would vote?

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    Maybe Bush does it himself. Maybe the leak comes from a senior aide or , JD himself says that he talked to her and knows she will, etc.

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    I think I figured out why the Bush-Mier relationship is so creepy..


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    Fact: Anything that Bush does will be critiziced by boutons and Dan

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    'Fact: Anything that Bush does"

    ... is wrong, a lie, stupid, irresponsible, anti-American, paid for by rich + corps, ignorant, or will be proven to be so evetually.

    If dubya and his -suckers don't like criticism and dissent, don't run for office.

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