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It's ing re ed. To have to compliment a team for playing with their hands up like a Mary Poppins. Although it is a genius move by Pop.
Yeah, I remember that quite clearly. I was pretty mad at Doug Collins for saying that. Ridiculous stuff from the ty networks yet again.I know, but it's the principle..I've literally never seen this before at any level of basketballthe players being forced to change their stance and defend in a manner that they've never defended before, while the announcers and network are turning it into a narrative that should be condoned..
Danny Green's 3rd foul, for example..Kawhi defended Harden with his arms up, Green reaches on the help, ref calls foul, replay shows he didn't touch him..that's understandable, your typical star call, but then Doug Collins says(paraphrasing), "well, he reached on Harden, automatic foul call, he should have kept his arms up like they planned"
It's ing re ed. To have to compliment a team for playing with their hands up like a Mary Poppins. Although it is a genius move by Pop.
Kawhi does this every once in awhile. But the call isn't consistent like it is with Harden. But it is pathetic.... You can't even play good defense on him. The stupid ass refs act like they can't see him hooking their arm.
That needs to he called on offensive foul. And the one ing time Patty semi does it, Doug Collins starts whining about the league needing to look at that kind of play.That's the type of I'm referring to..players have to alter their game just to avoid this garbage and it's being promoted
Ohhh, that Harden!! He's so clever!!
Really? You gonna that out on Patty Mills? Doug Collins.
And that's why you can't even tell how good he really is. Defenders are scared to go near him.
Yeah, Doug was condescending as there.
As DC said, would be a nightmare to ref him. Players have been initiating contact for decades, Harden has just taken it to another level.
Until about 2012, I eye witnessed maybe 3 4-point plays in my life. Since, that number has skyrocketed. It's pretty annoying
I thought Danny actually hit Harden that particular time, from what I saw. But in general I agree with you. It's horrible that the announcers treat it like it's a good skill to deceive the refs.I know, but it's the principle..I've literally never seen this before at any level of basketball
Danny Green's 3rd foul, for example..Kawhi defended Harden with his arms up, Green reaches on the help, ref calls foul, replay shows he didn't touch him..that's understandable, your typical star call, but then Doug Collins says(paraphrasing), "well, he reached on Harden, automatic foul call, he should have kept his arms up like they planned"
There was a play with Lou when Patty I think used the fight over screen foul and Lou kept complaining to the ref. That time the announcers actually acknowledge the irony.
Doug Collins is a Spurs homer... I don't think he's a Spurs haters.
It's almost like a black man whenever the police is around.
That's only because they're boss was in the arena.
Thoroughly agree.They highlighted Danny Green, Kawhi and Ginobili defending Harden with their arms up? Why is ESPN and the NBA condoning this and promoting it as a skill that should be encouraged?
Seriously? We've reached a point where the defenders aren't even permitted to play in a conventional, normal stance that they've used their entire lives, just because 1 player has completely exploited the technicalities of NBA rules?
Hopefully the rules committee addresses this during the off-season, it's a much larger problem than the Hack-A or anything else..
It is a gigantic disadvantage for balance and thus moving your feet properly to move with your arms in the air. It goes against the basic athletic stance in almost every sport. But the NBA loves their scoring. Fortunately its also leading to boredom on the foul line.
One thing I have to keep in mind is the NBA is all about entertainment. I assumed the entertainment was naturally embedded in good compe ion. I have been proved wrong.
You play with the rules you've got, unfortunately. The Spurs were pretty damned disciplined about not fouling him. I just rewatched highlights and even his layups weren't really aggressively contested.
We need to go under that harden screen... I can live with him shooting threes all night
That's because teams are allowing themselves to give away soft fouls like that. Yank his shoulder out and faceplant him a couple of times when he tries to hook and see if he comes back for more. At least everybody will know why he got 3 free throws (if he can even get into the shooting motion in the first place).
I do find it frustrating and I really don't like watching or respect Harden as a player for it tbh. But at the same time...he's really the only player I've seen that consistently does it AND gets away with it..
If there were multiple players getting away with it at a high level they'd probably change. But it's on the officials IMO to understand Hardens playing styles.
Boom. He likes fake contact. He does not real contact and will shy away from it.
Agreed. is whack AF.
not nearly as much as I cringed when Irving took the terrible shot in last year's finals to beat the warriors. just keeps glorifying street ball.
In the ideal world everyone would play like harden and thus this would become a good defensive stance. I say keep it on.They highlighted Danny Green, Kawhi and Ginobili defending Harden with their arms up? Why is ESPN and the NBA condoning this and promoting it as a skill that should be encouraged?
Seriously? We've reached a point where the defenders aren't even permitted to play in a conventional, normal stance that they've used their entire lives, just because 1 player has completely exploited the technicalities of NBA rules?
Hopefully the rules committee addresses this during the off-season, it's a much larger problem than the Hack-A or anything else..
How is it "ideal" to effectively ban defenders from making a play for the ball or making it difficult for the ballhandler to turn the corner?
No way that happens - especially the illegal screen part of the equation. That would put a serious damper on the League's darling teams of the moment.
They highlighted Danny Green, Kawhi and Ginobili defending Harden with their arms up? Why is ESPN and the NBA condoning this and promoting it as a skill that should be encouraged?
Seriously? We've reached a point where the defenders aren't even permitted to play in a conventional, normal stance that they've used their entire lives, just because 1 player has completely exploited the technicalities of NBA rules?
Hopefully the rules committee addresses this during the off-season, it's a much larger problem than the Hack-A or anything else..
That's a rhetorical question, right? Yes, we have reached that point.
We've reached the point where an offensive star who wants some space to operate can just plan a hand in the defender's chest and make a full-arm shove.
We've reached the point where an offensive star can made two dribbles with his hand under the ball, so the defense can't tell if he's going to pass or keep dribbling.
We've reached the point where certain bigs can come out and "hedge", by just shoving the out of a much-smaller PG out at the top of the circle.
The effort to call moving screens? Over and forgotten. The effort to call technical for arguing with every damn call? Over and forgotten.
The rules haven't been officially changed, but the game is clearly being called to maximize a certain style of play. The guys who are the best at that style dominate. And, no, it won't get changed.
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