Bulls: "Someone need to come to me and explain to me what Jordan is better at than LeBron.."

[IronMexican]

Saying that 2007 series was winnable throws any other argument you have put the window.

Even in 2009, he was penalized for taking an awful team to the 1 seed before losing to the Magic.

They should have gotten swept, if LeBron doesn't hit that 3 at the buzzer.

[lefty]

Lebron has more finals appearances but not even the same amount of rings, let alone more, so your example doesn't work. 2007, and 2011 were winnable series where he shrunk on the biggest stage.

A finals win is valued more than a CF win, especially since Bron hasn't played any superstars in the east since 2011 if you count MVP D Rose.

2007 winnable?



Oh and more ringz = betterz!

In this case MJ is not the GOAT since other legends have more ringz

Goals posts always shifted in MJ's favor lmao :
-"MJ GOAT cuz more ringz than Bron"
- "but other legends have more rings'
-" undefeated in the Finals!!!!!! "

SMH

[IronMexican]

And I think it's fair to say that Granger was/is a superstar. There were a couple of years were you legitimately could say that the Pacers had a good chance at beating Miami.

[hitmanyr2k]

Every series is winnable unless a team is so outmatched they're getting beat by double digits every game. In the 2007 Finals 3 out of 4 games came down to the final minute. Those games were VERY "winnable" for the Cavs mainly because of their defense and rebounding. I'm sure if the Heat had lost the '06 Finals everyone would have been saying that series was "unwinnable" for the Heat because the Mavs were the obvious favorite. I suppose if the Mavs lost to the Heat in '11 everyone would be making the same excuse for Dirk and saying his series was "unwinnable" because he was a solo star having to go up against the Lebron, Wade, and Bosh dream team.

[JoeTait75]

Every series is winnable unless a team is so outmatched they're getting beat by double digits every game. In the 2007 Finals 3 out of 4 games came down to the final minute. Those games were VERY "winnable" for the Cavs mainly because of their defense and rebounding.

The first two games of the '07 Finals weren't even close except to a certain extent on the scoreboard. San Antonio dominated both games. The two games in Cleveland were close, but so what? A sweep is a sweep. Has there been a single four-game sweep in the history of professional sports that could have gone the other way? Maybe you could say the Cavaliers should've won a game or two in that series, but can you honestly say they had a chance to win the whole thing?

[313]

The first two games of the '07 Finals weren't even close except to a certain extent on the scoreboard. San Antonio dominated both games. The two games in Cleveland were close, but so what? A sweep is a sweep. Has there been a single four-game sweep in the history of professional sports that could have gone the other way? Maybe you could say the Cavaliers should've won a game or two in that series, but can you honestly say they had a chance to win the whole thing?

My idea of an unwinnable series is 2015, when Kyrie and Love went down and he had to go up against a fully healthy warriors team. It wasn't just that he lost in 2007, it was how poorly he performed. 6 turnovers in 3/4 games, 5 in the other one. shot sub 40% 3/4 games as well. In his defense he was still a young player, but the same thing happened in 2011. Wasnt just that he lost, he played poorly. Correlation?

[Arcadian]

All I know is, as a Spurs fan, I never feared Lebron. We'd be 3-0 against him in the finals without the stupidest collapse of all time. The other two meetings, he was humiliated.

There was always a clear strategy against Lebron: "Make him a jump shooter." He could never dominate with his shooting, but he could be coaxed into trying.

[HarlemHeat37]

The 2007 Cavs were +350 underdogs

2001 76ers +1000
2002 Nets +550
2004 Pistons +400
2007 Cavs +350

[313]

2007 winnable?



Oh and more ringz = betterz!

2007 could've been more compe ive at least. I know regular season doesn't mean much but the Cavs swept the RS series.

Bron had 4/6 of his turnovers in the second half of game one where the game got out of hand. Game 2 was a blowout. game 3 was really close and Bron went 2-8 and a turnover in the 4th Q. Game 4 they lost by one point, but it actually wasn't that close. With 5 minutes left, the cavs have a one point lead. LeBron proceeds to go 1/2 from the FT line, 1/4 from the field, and two turnovers. With a minute left the cavs were down seven and it was over.

He could've at least served home court.

And more rings is the tie breaker when the players are similarly dominant imo. You want to give LeBron credit for going to more finals, but he's only come away with half the amount of rings

If Lebron was 5/7 at least with his losses being 2014 and 2015, he would probably be considered the goat.

[JoeTait75]

My idea of an unwinnable series is 2015, when Kyrie and Love went down and he had to go up against a fully healthy warriors team. It wasn't just that he lost in 2007, it was how poorly he performed. 6 turnovers in 3/4 games, 5 in the other one. shot sub 40% 3/4 games as well. In his defense he was still a young player, but the same thing happened in 2011. Wasnt just that he lost, he played poorly. Correlation?

LeBron didn't play well in the series, no. On the other hand he was 22 years old, playing in his first Finals, was surrounded by maybe the worst roster to ever play in a Finals and was going up against a great team with eons of experience in big games. Had he played better the Cavaliers would've maybe pulled out a game or two, but so what? They still would've lost. He did a phenomenal job just to get them there.

[Silver&Black]

.oh, and of course, killing Black youth..

Fake news fam.

[LkrFan]

Please. There is no debate. 6 > 5 > 3PERIOD

[lefty]

LeBron didn't play well in the series, no. On the other hand he was 22 years old, playing in his first Finals, was surrounded by maybe the worst roster to ever play in a Finals and was going up against a great team with eons of experience in big games. Had he played better the Cavaliers would've maybe pulled out a game or two, but so what? They still would've lost. He did a phenomenal job just to get them there.

[Clipper Nation]

Please. There is no debate. 6 > 5 > 3PERIOD

Boiled down:::Bill Russell's the GOAT because of ring count.

What kind of self-respecting "LkrFan" roots for the Warriors and has a Celtics player as the GOAT?

[jsandiego]

Jordan never had a 2011 collapse like LeBron did. The GOAT conversation ended then.

[jeebus]

lol trying to revive this forum. just wait for the nfl season to start, nigs.

[LkrFan]

Boiled down:::Bill Russell's the GOAT because of ring count.

What kind of self-respecting "LkrFan" roots for the Warriors and has a Celtics player as the GOAT?

Not this again!

Russell played in the non-free agency era. Sam Jones, Cousy, and Havlicek couldn't be poached. Couple that with, what a 9 or 10 team league? Of course he won.

Besides, KAJ is the true GOATPERIOD.

[Clipper Nation]

Not this again!

Russell played in the non-free agency era. Sam Jones, Cousy, and Havlicek couldn't be poached. Couple that with, what a 9 or 10 team league? Of course he won.

Besides, KAJ is the true GOATPERIOD.

Russell probably still had it tougher in his era than Magic and Kareem did in the '80s Worstern Conference, tbh.

[lefty20]

So no black kids ever killed or harmed each other over Lebron's shoes? I seriously doubt that.

I'm sure they have, but the number won't be nearly as high as Jordan's. What's worse is when the more civilized races get victimized because a hoodlum had to have the newest shoe that came out.

[LkrFan]

Russell probably still had it tougher in his era than Magic and Kareem did in the '80s Worstern Conference, tbh.

Wait, wasn't your Spurs in det conference? They still beat the '80s Cel s twice.

That '86 Cel team is second only to the '87 Lakers as the greatest team in NBA history ('96 Bulls are 3rd best).

[Clipper Nation]

Wait, wasn't your Spurs in det conference? They still beat the '80s Cel s twice.

That '86 Cel team is second only to the '87 Lakers as the greatest team in NBA history ('96 Bulls are 3rd best).

Not "my" Spurs, Paco. And those Cel s didn't get the luxury of facing under-.500 creampuffs in the conference finals. Can Magic and Kareem say the same?

[lefty]

Not "my" Spurs, Paco. And those Cel s didn't get the luxury of facing under-.500 creampuffs in the conference finals. Can Magic and Kareem say the same?

[Killakobe81]

Better shooter, better in the clutch, idk what a dumb conversation.

Better at winning Finals, three peating, better at selling shoes not scared of dunk contests etc.

Lebron is the better passer by far, more durable and has improved his range to be tjw better deep shooter.

FTS MID RANGE AND FADE AWAY JORDAN

TRANSITION AND LEFT HAND LEBRON

STRENGTH LEBRON

SPEED LEBRON

CLUTCH JORDAN

[Down Under]

LeBron's jumper was really really bad the first 5 years in the league to the point the Spurs played him straight up with a 36 year old Bowen and he still couldn't do anything in the finals. His next 5 years his jumper improved to average. Jordan's was above average by his second year in the league.

[Down Under]

LeBron's jumper was really really bad the first 5 years in the league to the point the Spurs played him straight up with a 36 year old Bowen and he still couldn't do anything in the finals. His next 5 years his jumper improved to average. Jordan's was above average by his second year in the league. You can't compare 3 point shooting because it wasn't really apart of the game in the 90s. Jordan never had any season where he was horrific on D like LeBron has the past few, granted he doesn't try because he just walks to the finals through the East.