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    Drama queens thread, tbh.

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    Also they Spurs need to figure out what to do with Kyle Anderson, tbh... what's his role going to be

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    Well, we made it to the WCF largely thanks to Manu and with TP out... same in 2014, winning the chip... that's results...

    And again, not hating on Tony, he was great against the Grizz... but let's not pretend that it didn't look like an anomaly.

    In all honesty, he should be a super-sub like Manu at this point, that his role. The Spurs need a starting PG to compete against the elite (Curry, CP3, Westbrook, Irving, etc), tbh...
    It didn't look like an anomaly at all. TP vs HOU had the biggest win of the series tbh..Manu playing good 1.5 games a series is not as valuable as TP bringing the consistent goods. Especially now with Mills having to run the show? You see the disaster of an offense.

    Spurs are a WCF team with TP while Harden/WB/CP are at home tbh..

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    What? SA is in an amazing financial situation for a WCF team
    Everyone keeps saying that but what's the point of having all that cap space in 2018 if no one of value is gonna be available? Spurs have some guys they'd like/need to hold on to (Simmons, Mills, Dedmon, Lee) but can't due to limited room right now and no means to improve the team. They can hope Bertans and Murray improve enough to offset the losses, but the fact of the matter is they could just as easily stay the same.

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    Everyone keeps saying that but what's the point of having all that cap space in 2018 if no one of value is gonna be available? Spurs have some guys they'd like/need to hold on to (Simmons, Mills, Dedmon, Lee) but can't due to limited room right now and no means to improve the team. They can hope Bertans and Murray improve enough to offset the losses, but the fact of the matter is they could just as easily stay the same.
    You are wrong tbh..

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    It didn't look like an anomaly at all. TP vs HOU had the biggest win of the series tbh..Manu playing good 1.5 games a series is not as valuable as TP bringing the consistent goods. Especially now with Mills having to run the show? You see the disaster of an offense.

    Spurs are a WCF team with TP while Harden/WB/CP are at home tbh..
    Manu was the difference in this team being a Western Conference Finalist or not. That's pretty valuable.

    That doesn't mean TP isn't, but his body can't keep up with his role anymore, and yeah, considering the season he had, it was an anomaly (which was great, BTW, we needed it).

    I think Patty will be gone anyways. The issue of slotting TP as a backup is Murray's progression.

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    Battle all you want - I care about results tbh..TP battled. He played better than Manu and played a bigger and more consistent role in winning playoff games.

    I'm not writing TP off until I see playoff proof he's done. Manu healthy wasn't the same as TP healthy. That concerns me more than injuries that you can't control.
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    Manu was the difference in this team being a Western Conference Finalist or not. That's pretty valuable.

    That doesn't mean TP isn't, but his body can't keep up with his role anymore, and yeah, considering the season he had, it was an anomaly (which was great, BTW, we needed it).

    I think Patty will be gone anyways. The issue of slotting TP as a backup is Murray's progression.
    When healthy, someone playing well more games than not, that is not an amamoly IMO.

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    Well that is a good start.

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    When healthy, someone playing well more games than not, that is not an amamoly IMO.
    Look, he had a pretty ty season... I was as surprised and welcomed his performance in the first round as any other fan...

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    Look, he had a pretty ty season... I was as surprised and welcomed his performance in the first round as any other fan...
    Sure, but he players that are old on contenders coast a lot. When it mattered TP was very consistent. Manu was bad both regular and post season. That showed me more than TP is what I'm saying.

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    Sure, but he players that are old on contenders coast a lot. When it mattered TP was very consistent. Manu was bad both regular and post season. That showed me more than TP is what I'm saying.
    Manu has been a beast this postseason, and any time when TP hasn't showed up (ie: 2014), which has been pretty common lately...

    It's unfortunate the Spurs still need to rely on a 39 year old about to retire though... but with TP being constantly hurt, they don't have a lot of options, tbh...

    I appreciate Manu stepping up his game and taking us to the WCF without Kawhi...

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    Manu has been a beast this postseason, and any time when TP hasn't showed up (ie: 2014), which has been pretty common lately...

    It's unfortunate the Spurs still need to rely on a 39 year old about to retire though... but with TP being constantly hurt, they don't have a lot of options, tbh...

    I appreciate Manu stepping up his game and taking us to the WCF without Kawhi...
    Your definition of "playing great" or "beast" has majorly adjusted as we discussed. Based on expectations? Maybe I buy that. Based on reality? No.

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    Your definition of "playing great" or "beast" has majorly adjusted as we discussed. Based on expectations? Maybe I buy that. Based on reality? No.
    apparently it adjusted for both of us if you thought TP is anything but a super sub at this point... but hey, you're en led to your opinion too...

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    apparently it adjusted for both of us if you thought TP is anything but a super sub at this point... but hey, you're en led to your opinion too...
    Well, TP vs the highest paid PG in the league was great. So no, I didn't have to adjust my definition. Manu playing well 1 out of every 5-7 games is adjusting tbh.

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    Well, TP vs the highest paid PG in the league was great. So no, I didn't have to adjust my definition. Manu playing well 1 out of every 5-7 games is adjusting tbh.
    Manu vs one of the 3 league MVP candidates without Kawhi nor TP was great too. So I guess I don't have to adjust my definition either?

    We can do this all day... fact is, Manu is still out there, and has been out there in '14 when TP wasn't, and the team kept on winning... just mere facts.

    Unfortunately the Dubs are a tough team without Kawhi...

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    Manu vs one of the 3 league MVP candidates without Kawhi nor TP was great too. So I guess I don't have to adjust my definition either?

    We can do this all day... fact is, Manu is still out there, and has been out there in '14 when TP wasn't, and the team kept on winning... just mere facts.

    Unfortunately the Dubs are a tough team without Kawhi...
    Let's look at Manu's averages vs TP this playoffs. I think that will tell you the difference tbh..

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    Let's look at Manu's averages vs TP this playoffs. I think that will tell you the difference tbh..
    We can look at win-loss record when both played... all day...

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    We can look at win-loss record when both played... all day...
    Nah. That doesn't tell the story. You can win with a player playing below average. Look at their averages and see who was playing better. PER, PPG, AST, ETC..

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    Nah. That doesn't tell the story. You can win with a player playing below average. Look at their averages and see who was playing better. PER, PPG, AST, ETC..
    Yeah, especially in games without Kawhi, that definitely tells the story. Especially making crucial game-winning plays... and we can certainly look at VORP, PER, etc... Manu has been very very good in his role and limited mins...

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    Yeah, especially in games without Kawhi, that definitely tells the story. Especially making crucial game-winning plays... and we can certainly look at VORP, PER, etc... Manu has been very very good in his role and limited mins...
    Go ahead. Look it up. TP > Manu this playoffs or do you disagree?

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    Thats ing atrocious. All but like 3 players are dead weight tbh. We have bigs who get owned by a scrub like McGee.

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    TP Playoff PER this year: 20.3

    Manu Playoff PER this year: 10.8

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    Go ahead. Look it up. TP > Manu this playoffs or do you disagree?
    Difficult to compare, since Tony missed about half the games, especially against tougher opponents?

    I thought Manu elevated his game when TP went down (again)... I think that's a very fair assessment...

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