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Ok can we just release him
I wish LMA played better, but bigs like him have bottomed out in this league. I mean, name a low post player in the game now who could handle GSW D. None. And we all wish Duncan were here, but part of why Duncan was great at 40, is that he had a smart big mans game that no one else in his position had. For that reason, he could be effective against other bigs and various defensive schemes thrown at him. The bigs of today shoot jumpers or are limited to dunks and defense. Guards and small forwards are the true difference makers now.
Ok can we just release him
Aldridge probably only gets traded if he tells them he wants out. Presuming he's kept, his utilization needs to change. I don't know why they insist on pretending he masquerade as prime Duncan. He needs to lose about 15 pounds, only post up when he has a distinct advantage and turn more of his mid rangers into three's. To be fair, it'd be nice to have a returning guard not named Parker who can execute a basic pick-and-pop.
Gasol they'd probably like to trade ideally, but unless it's part of a larger plan that would entail also salary dumping Parker to chase a Paul or Lowry, they'd likely be doing so just for the sake of it since probably wouldn't be able to carve out meaningful cap space. They'd likely be better served operating above the cap, which would allow them to utilize the MLE.
I brought up the Timberwolves a few weeks back and believe they'd be by far the most likely destination. They had interest last off season and unlike the others who did (Trail Blazers, Raptors), nothing's really changed: they still have cap space (could absorb his salary without sending any back), somewhat of a positional need and they're known to covet credible veterans.
Whatever his faults and weaknesses are, about it when the team is at full strength. Doing so now reeks of needing a scapegoat. If Aldridge stinks it up with a full strength team, you'll have a point. There's only one Tim Duncan.
I wonder if Serge is thinking of bolting.
Not ready to give up
I really thought LMA would turn into more of a stretch 5 when he came here offensively and start shooting heaps of 3's. He's been a good defender all year, but has struggled with some leg problem in the playoffs. It's still hard to get rid of a big who can shoot, defend & when he feels like it, post smaller guys. That's why he's an elite role player now, not a star who you can't depend on his offense. When I compare his contract to ones like Kanter, Bazemore, Parsons, Crabbe, Noah, Evan Turner, Ryan Anderson & Oladipo who all get similar money, I still think his contracted is overpriced but not as bad as those just mentioned. Not to mention 32 year olds, Millsap, CP3 & Lowry are all about to get $35 million/year.
Damage control thread?
Cant emphasize enough the quality of this post. Agree completely with the adjustment of the role and had similar thoughts. He's not a lost cause. He can still abuse a mismatch and the pick and pop three is better at playing the odds as well as playing the corner three.
Really don't think Gasol would be too hard to move either. If your the Spurs you can give him an ultimatum. If you opt in we are going to trade you. And on his part he'd be wise to lock in more money over more years cause his paydays are only gonna shrink from here on out. Yeah trading Gasol would allow you to keep Mills and bring Murray along. Does make alot of sense. Would also almost confirm a big for the draft but more of a center like Bam Adebayo or Jordan Bell type. I wonder if you could keep Mills, Simmons and Dedmon if you trade Pau though. Any ideas?
someone has to LoL
it's getting bad out chea.
Whatever his faults and weaknesses are, about it when the team is at full strength.
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it doesn't take the whole team being there to see this dude is pussy...he's getting volume touches and doing nothing with it...it doesn't take the team at full strength to give the maximum effort and to see who has heart...It doesn't take the whole team being there to see guards pushing him out of the paint... to grab rebounds...to show some fire... LA wants to just be a cog in the system, at 80+ million you can't just be another piece he should be expected to produce and he isn't...if it's just another cog in the system that's expected out of him why not try to get a cheaper option to just play a role. At this point it's just a bad signing
He'd be a great third option. Remember the late 00's Lakers? Everyone was skewering Lamar Odom like they are LaMarcus now. Then Lakers got Pau, the real second option, and suddenly having a third option as good as Odom made them terrifying.
If we acquire or develop a second major player (no easy task) suddenly all the pressure is off LMA, he'll be open, and our team becomes a real wrecking ball (and we're already averaging 64 wins during Lma's time here). A passing point guard would be a real boon for LMA (not to mention Patty, Bertans and Green). I'm not one of the ST posters who has been fantasizing about Chris Paul but he'd be a win-win from an LMA point of view. Someone to bump him down to #3 and take the pressure off and someone to give him pinpoint passes in the right spots.
Paul ain't coming though. He may be sick of the Clips, and Timmy can pitch him hard for the Wake Forest connection, but he's not giving up the money.
A Paul-lite or any other worthy #2 would be great. Look how unbeatable this team is when Tony has a flashback and looks like a legit star again.
Last edited by BillMc; 05-21-2017 at 07:43 PM.
Yeah, at this point, he really should be a third option on an elite team, the same way Bosh was with the Heat and Love is with the Cavaliers. The problem is, the Spurs don't have a high end guard, who can turn him into that. Even so, they need to stop forcing him to be something he's not, because it makes both sides look bad.
They wouldn't necessarily have to draft a big if they trade Gasol, but it would probably make it more likely.
Mills, Simmons and Dedmon, could not only all be kept even if Gasol is, but it actually probably mean it's more likely, since they'd stay over the cap and could then utilize the MLE on Dedmon. Pop basically confirmed they're keeping Mills at damn near any cost a few days ago and I'd be surprised if they lost both Simmons and Dedmon.
If they're going to go all in on the present, as opposed to a) keeping Gasol and re-signing Mills, two players who can't really play against most of the best teams or b) losing Mills and then having to choose between spending the MLE on some type of guard or Dedmon, I'd rather: salary dump Gasol, do the same with Parker (probably have to attach a future protected 1st . . . and if he's bent on not playing elsewhere, then he can take his time, sit the entire season and come back the following one on an inexpensive one year deal), make whatever other minor moves necessary and come armed with max cap space to throw at Paul or failing that, something lesser to throw at Lowry and Hill. Obviously, diminishing returns will set in on the back half of those contracts, but at least then they might have a punchers chance (specifically with Paul).
Last edited by TD 21; 05-21-2017 at 08:00 PM.
He's been pretty mediocre no matter who is healthy.
The Spurs would not have gotten past the Grizzlies if not for Tony being Robin to Kawhi's Bat man. They don't get past Houston if Manu doesn't wake up and Simmons decides to make a stand for a huge contract figuratively speaking.... and Danny decided to flashback to LDN and come up with some huge baskets in game 5 against Houston.
Only once did one say yes Lamarcus was huge that game and it was game 6 against Houston.
Anyways he is just further exposed but he's been far from the Spurs second best player even when the team was healthy... it is what it is. We are under no delusion.
Memphis Grizzlies
Game 1 20 points on 18 shots 6 reb
Game 2 11 points on 8 shots 4 reb
Game 3 16 points on 8 shots 11 reb
Game 4 13 points on 11 shots 2 rebounds ON 42 MINUTES!
Game 5 12 points on 13 shots 9 reb
Game 6 17 points on 17 shots 12 reb
Houston Rockets
Game 1 4 points on 7 shots 6 reb
Game 2 15 points on 15 shots 9 reb
Game 3 26 points on 20 shots 6 reb
Game 4 16 points on 13 shots 5 reb
Game 5 18 points on 21 shots 14 reb
Game 6 34 points on 26 shots 12 reb
GSW
Game 1 28 points on 24 shots 7 reb
Game 2 8 points on 11 shots 4 reb
Game 3 18 points on 17 shots 5 reb
Do I see a pattern here?
IMPEACH THAT ER!
eye candy really. Paul would be perfect here as second option. Not sure Spurs are ready to dump Parker though. But it will take Parker a year to heal theoretically you dump him now and he can resign a year after he is waived from another team right. Sounds wrong so maybe not... Maybe I missed something. Anyways, I'm not sure Paul at like 35 mil or whatever would be worth it. We could probably keep Simmons since his cap hit is small but we'd lose Dedmon, Patty, Pau and Parker. Well I guess I talked myself into it lol. I just see it really small chance that Paul leaves. But man would we be tough to beat. You know what, he actually is worth the money. He has gotten alot more clutch the last couple years since he knocked us out. Also eliminating the Clippers who give us problems. Actually a smart move from alot of angles. Would probably stunt Murray's growth but it'd give us better odds in the short term and then who knows maybe Murray is ready when Paul concludes his contract.
No, the scenario I outlined is not happening, but in it Dedmon could probably be kept and possibly Simmons too.
That's the only scenario that might give Paul some pause about re-signing and give the Spurs a punchers chance.
In reality, Mills is more than likely getting re-signed and if he doesn't retire, they probably target Williams to be a stopgap option for the bi-annual (3.29M) exception, with a player option for the 2nd season.
No one is scapegoating LA for being down 0-3. Everyone can pretty much agree that injuries are what did the Spurs in these POs. There's only so much talent any one player can have and that's fine--LA has his limitations. However, at ude and effort are things he can control; those are things he lacks. He failed to get himself in better shape, work on his game to compliment his role within the team, etc...now on the big stage without KL its all out there for everyone to see--he is overrated.
Okay, Bill, please humor me. Paul can only sign (or turn his back on) a super-max contract IF the Clips offer it. I know that there is plenty of buzz around the Clips about splitting up their big three. Is it inconceivable that the Clips are also doing some agonizing about whether a PG as old as Paul is worth that kind of salary for that many years? It's not like he has led them to the Promised Land even once.
I am just leading up to this: if Paul is on the open market, would you sign him to a max or even near max? Personally, I would not. I do not understand the ST posters who believe that Murray needs to be an apprentice for another year or two. I believe he is more ready to start now than Tony was as a rookie/second year man. He will make some mistakes, just as Tony did. And the Spurs will not win 60 games and have the second best record in the league next season, but they might be just as ready for the playoffs - especially if they can use money that Paul would eat up on a good big and a good wing.
You are right about desperately needing a real second banana to send LMA to a third banana role - unless we can move him and his top banana contract for decent value - which might happen if he is as unhappy as he seems.
I just think paying top banana money to an aging CP3 is really mortgaging the future - again.
I want to move LMA and Pau. I do now t want CP3. And Deadman might as well be dead. No way Pop brings him back. He is so deep in Pop's doghouse that Bonner is a more likely candidate to return.
I agree.............Phil is still tanking New York anyway we can trade LMA for the Lat. Kid forgot his name but he is pissed with the organization.
Not sure, it seems Porzingis likes the big cities.
I have to ask, why are you so convinced about Mills?
But he didn't fail to do that just recently.
if not for the Leonard injury, this Spurs team actually had a chance against that joke of an overpowered cheating GS team, even though LMA (and almost everyone else) is dead weight. think about that.
I say just take another 50 win season. then if LMA opts in, trade his expiring contract, but hopefully he opts out. 2018 offseason has great potential
I don't even care about this series, I never expected Aldridge to do well against Draymond Green. But him being unable to score on Harden and Ryan Anderson for most of the second round was proof enough that he's gotta go.
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