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So because its arrogant/true he shouldnt say it? Id take paul for the right price
I think Doc enabling him a lot has something to do with it. His system is very basic and the pick and roll is as effective an offense as their is. I suspect it's more efficient than say a Blake post up, which isn't as deadly. I think most teams would play him straight and live with the results as opposed to a Paul pick and roll which would open up more options. Paul is probably best in the league at probing a pick and lethal with space. On the other hand Kawhi is as efficient as they come in posts, picks, and isos. That's a much better option than Blake. It's Kawhi's team and I'm sure he knows that. They won more games without him then his current team with him. It's not hard to understand. There's a learning curve and it'll take time to find their spots but he is a player to make a move for imo. You probably losing Mills and Simmons regardless, Manu ought to retire or come back at the minimum, Dedmon opted out, Lee likely opting in, then you lose Pau which is probably not a big deal unless you have to attach a pick, and the final piece is Parker who should absolutely not be traded. The right thing to do is have him waived and stretched and tell him to rehab for a year and then sign him back.
Foundation would look like this:
Paul/Murray
Green/Forbes
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Bertans
Lee
Anderson could even start but ideally you'd want a finishing big like Dedmon. Paul could probably make him an All Star. Not literally.
You'd still have the room exception for Hanga. You'd most likely have to trade this years pick or trade down or draft and stash and Milutinov would have to wait one more year but that's fine.
and if you lose Simmons two way play for CP3's who would you rather have.
i would assume there would be plenty of FA's that would take less and accept the challenge of taking out the Warriors. Heck Dedmon might come back to play with Paul and start.
this is what I gather from what I read correct me if I'm wrong. It's not as bad as it sounds considering. We can keep your boy Danny. He'd probably return to Finals form with all the looks.
Edit: GS was gutted for KD. They got players like Clark, West, McGee and to a lesser extent Mccaw, since he is a rookie, playing important rotation minutes. Paul, Kawhi, and Aldridge in their ideal roles would be good enough to surround with less imo. You'd still have Danny too. How much more would you need than a random dude just hitting an open shot tbh
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So because its arrogant/true he shouldnt say it? Id take paul for the right price
Definitely . . .
- Gutting is overstating it, since the only real difficult move, would be jettisoning either Parker or Green, for different and obvious reasons. Parker would seem the logical one, but they'd have to attach a 1st to salary dump him, whereas with Green, he could actually be turned into a quality asset. The issue would be the lack of replacements. It would likely be either Sefolosha (sub par shooter) or Afflalo (sub par defender).
- More than ever, it's a superstar driven league. The Warriors would obviously still be the favorites, but a Leonard-Paul-Aldridge core, would have a chance.
- Depth issue is being overstated too: Murray and Bertans are two intriguing young pieces, they've got all picks going forward, a history of unearthing gems and veteran ring chasers would inevitably flock to fill the holes.
- Everyone talks about Paul's age and mileage, but he hasn't really shown any significant signs of decline and Stockton, who was similar, never really did in 19 seasons. Maybe he can hold at least close to current form for 4 more seasons and if not, what's the alternative: Wait 2-4 seasons until Aldridge and Green are clearly past prime and hope Murray can become 2/3 or 3/4 as good as Paul?
Still can't imagine it happens, for all the reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam, but I will say, Paul clearly burns deep in his desire to win and he has to realize that the only avenue to even having a chance, is to make this move.
Stop comparing small forwards to a power forward...
And I'm referring to perimeter players for the Clippers that can make plays or create..there is none. And Paul hasn't played with a wing like Kawhi so there's a reason behind the madness
No-brainer imo.
gutting the team when it's really Kawhi and everyone else (mostly over the hill players and a bunch of D-Leaguers)
I know CP3 isn't the most likable player, but he's still one of the top PGs in the league. The Warriors didn't think twice about 'gutting' their team for Durant. Granted, Durant > Paul, but Bogut/Barnes/Barbosa = Mills/Gasol/whoever else. Plus, even if you 'gut' the team, the replacements you get will benefit from playing alongside CP3.
Chris Paul as the 2nd option on a team with a budding superstar in Kawhi Leonard, dipped in Spurs' culture with LMA as the 3rd option would be so much better than anything we have now, tbh.. 40 year-old Manu and Jonathon Simmons were our go-to guys/offensive creators after Kawhi went down.. Parker is 35 and when he returns from a serious injury, I imagine he'd be nothing more than a backup at this point anyways. I'm thankful for everything Tony has done for this franchise obviously, but it's time to focus on developing Murray, whether CP3 is here or not.
Paul and Stockton never relied on their athleticism....their shooting, vision, court awareness, passing and Paul handle won't leave him. Parker never had those qualities and his game solely relied on his quickness and finishing around the basket..so when he declined it's more obvious.
? I'm sorry, but players can have similar games despite playing different positions. Blake is probably the most guard-like big in the league. I haven't exactly loved the way he's developed, but he certainly needs the ball more than you seem to think.
Chinook, I agree with you that Paul holds the ball too much. But don't you think playing for Pop and alongside Kawhi will fix that?
That's never stopped Porker from doing his dribble-dribble-dribble heroball routine. Why would Choke Paul ever stop?
So if they decide to keep Aldridge, and we lose Parker along with Manu and Gasol, should they make it next priority to keep Dedmon if possible? He would probably benefit quite abit having a pg like Paul.
I don't think Pop will be in a position of power if they sign Paul. If they bring him it, it would be to mold the team around Paul's game, not the other way around.
Again, this is him at his best, and it's just a better version of Rondo. It's even more Tony than Tony ever was.
Most guard like big in the league???
You compared Kawhi/Melo to Blake...
That's a terrible comparison and their games are nothing a like...I respect your opinion but I think you're way off. Both Kawhi/Melo can handle the ball in PNR and can shoot 40% from 3.
Blake is a good passer but that's doesn't mean his game is wing oriented at all...
I don't see anything wrong with that....
Just wait until he disappears in the playoffs, then you'll see something wrong with that.
Let's seriously cut all the BS and compare the fits on the court of Hill, Jrue, Paul, Rose, Teague or any PG available...
Paul is by far the best option on the court and people are using his age and $$ to justify the others being better fits on the court but they're not
We'd have Kawhi tbh. He doesn't have that luxury with clippers. He has the whole team on his back. That's a lot of pressure. Why don't you look at Griffin who's getting the max, or DeAndre who's getting the max. It's just a bad mix of talent. We have Aldridge but as a third option we figure I'd work. He seems to be a better shooter Blake while Blake is better in the post.
It sounds like we're losing our whole team anyway... meanwmeanwhile GS gets to pay the outta their players!?! Why not.... he definitely has heart!!
I doubt he's leaving. I know clip fans on him but don't you still want him or would you rather go in another direction
Because he's never played with another perimeter star, let alone superstar, this is Leonard's team and he's 6 years younger, so I'm pretty sure he'd acquiesce to a certain extent.
People are overthinking this whole thing. The most important question is, what's more likely to give them a chance at another championship in the foreseeable future? The answer is nothing. You don't pass up all-time talent in or near prime. If there's any chance of pulling this off, they need to pursue it.
"Post of the year" candidate.
So simple, yet so brilliant.
This. Kawhi is surrounded by turds in a punch bowl. Half of our roster is too old or not good enough to play in the NBA.
All of this..,...Not to mention, why is everyone forgetting, by doing it, we essentially erase another Western Conference "contender" out of the picture-- one that has been a true pain in the ass for us in the in last 3 seasons?
Exactly. All the guys they should keep (Murray and Bertrans) are on super cheap contracts. Simmons is going get paid and wouldn't be worth it. I would say keep LMA too if they land CP3 because his d is decent and would be a solid 3rd option.
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