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    He doesn't. Unless a desperate team like Knicks or Kings gives Hill a ridiculous offer, think the plan would be to sign Hill, trade Green and start Hill and Simmons while Parker is out. If Simmons struggles with starters and Murray proves worthy of a rotation spot in that time, eventually start Parker, slide Hill to SG and move Simmons to bench. Long term, hope Murray grows into starting PG and White into backup.
    Hill is going to be one of the smaller players on the team. If the play is going to be to start him at the two, the team best move on. I don't think the plan right now is to give Tony a starting spot coming off his injury. Not trading him is one thing; signing a starting PG for big money (while trading another starter) and then bringing Tony back to start over him is another.

    If the team wants a guy to come in and hold down the fort until Tony gets back, there are cheaper guys available. It already makes sense to start Murray; just sign a vet backup to hold down the other spot for a few months.

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    Omg, NBA salaries are so out of whack it's pathetic. I love Simmons, but 9 mill per year for a fringe starter quality player? All that does is drive the price up on game tickets, concessions and everything else. Also, 45 Mill in 1 year for a 37 year old Chris Paul. Remember when David Robinson signed a 10 year / 26 Mill contract in the early 90s?

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    Smart if they can get him that cheap.

    I'll believe it when I see it.

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    Theyll get Simmons to verbally commit and he'll actually sign last if theres other significant FAs being signed first. With that timeline, Simmons' 9 million wont effect cap space.
    I said as much in the post you quoted. Of course, there's a difference between preparing an offer and agreeing to a deal. $9 Million might just be their bid, and not an amount that both sides agree on.

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    I'm fine with it. He showed up when the Spurs needed him most in the postseason.

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    Meh, in this current market, $9 million/year for Simmons doesn't seem too unreasonable. Not thrilled about it, but don't think it's a bad move either.

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    I said as much in the post you quoted. Of course, there's a difference between preparing an offer and agreeing to a deal. $9 Million might just be their bid, and not an amount that both sides agree on.
    Yep.

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    He plays with passion, gives 100%. He has earned it, unlike some.

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    Theyll get Simmons to verbally commit and he'll actually sign last if theres other significant FAs being signed first. With that timeline, Simmons' 9 million wont effect cap space.
    What about next year's cap space?

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    Wait..

    Good for him. Dude is smarter than he looks.

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    What about next year's cap space?
    Too many unknown variables at this point to guess.

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    Omg, NBA salaries are so out of whack it's pathetic. I love Simmons, but 9 mill per year for a fringe starter quality player? All that does is drive the price up on game tickets, concessions and everything else. Also, 45 Mill in 1 year for a 37 year old Chris Paul. Remember when David Robinson signed a 10 year / 26 Mill contract in the early 90s?
    The salary cap is almost $100M though. I get that it seems ridiculous, but put in context the deal should be considered a good value. It's also important to note, the increase in salaries and overall cap is largely driven by television deals...not ticket prices. I'm not saying there won't be adverse effects to increases in salary, but it's not a primary driver.

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    Yep.
    Indeed. This was either just a way to see if they could get something done or them telling him what they're willing to pay. The Spurs have a number they'll consider too high for Simmons, and with Hanga, Blossomgame and especially White, it may not be all that high. They seem to have focused their summer-league roster on guards, and no matter how much it might seem like the UDFAs and semi-busts have no shot, they pretty much grabbed Simmons out of nowhere too. Can't fall too in love with him.

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    I think Simmons could get more in the open market. $9million is great if Spurs can swing it. If I'm J-SIMMONS, I'm looking for 3 years $45million.

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    If he wants more than that good luck playing elsewhere.

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    Figured as much. Not an awful deal by any means. Especially when one-trick pony Green is making more currently.
    What the? Danny's defense >>>> Simmons. Danny's 3-PT shooting>>>> Simmons.

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    What the? Danny's defense >>>> Simmons. Danny's 3-PT shooting>>>> Simmons.
    Danny's D isn't THAT much better and I prefer Simmons ability to make plays. No more 4 on 5 offensively, please.

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    young has said all along that the spurs FO had a 50/50 shot of keeping simmons. this offer is basically letting Simmons know this is as high as they will go. if any other team offers more and he takes it above all else then the spurs will not offer.

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    Simmons is good friends with Kawhi (somewhat similar backgrounds).

    Keeping Simmons makes sense for a lot of reasons.

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    Hill is going to be one of the smaller players on the team. If the play is going to be to start him at the two, the team best move on. I don't think the plan right now is to give Tony a starting spot coming off his injury. Not trading him is one thing; signing a starting PG for big money (while trading another starter) and then bringing Tony back to start over him is another.

    If the team wants a guy to come in and hold down the fort until Tony gets back, there are cheaper guys available. It already makes sense to start Murray; just sign a vet backup to hold down the other spot for a few months.
    Hill is 6'2'' with a 6'9'' wingspan. Bradley is 6'2'' with a 6'6'' wingspan. Of course, it's not ideal, but you can't have everything. If Hill-Parker start and play limited minutes together for 1 and 1/2 seasons to break up Murray-Simmons back court, is end result of upgrading from Green to Hill and getting an '18 1st, so be it.

    Again, a lot of variables. If Murray isn't ready and Simmons is fine with starters (maybe he would be alongside a PG like Hill), Parker would come off bench.

    If Murray is starting, they can't continue to say with a straight face that they're trying to contend for the championship.

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    young has said all along that the spurs FO had a 50/50 shot of keeping simmons. this offer is basically letting Simmons know this is as high as they will go. if any other team offers more and he takes it above all else then the spurs will not offer.
    No it's not.

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    Spurs leaking a 9 million offer could be a preemptive PR ploy.

    That way, if Simmons leaves it looks like the Spurs tried and Simmons was just greedy (see Pop and Vinny Del Negro a few years back).

    (Info isn't released by the secretive Spurs unless they have a reason to let it out.)

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    If he wants more than that good luck playing elsewhere.
    Agreed

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    I'm fine with it. He showed up when the Spurs needed him most in the postseason.

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