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The Spurs and Pop were his lucky break. Glad he got paid and is on a team that will likely give him more minutes.
That is exactly what it appears like Aldridge has done and he is still on the team. He's making the same amount in one year that Simmons is going to make over 3 years. So why have they let Simmons go and it still looks like they're going to include Aldridge in their plans for this upcoming season. May as well just dump him for expiring contracts (that end after this upcoming season), or try and get picks. Unless they are unable to get either of those things, then I guess riding out the season with him is the only way left to go.
The Spurs and Pop were his lucky break. Glad he got paid and is on a team that will likely give him more minutes.
Him and his agent tried to parlay four good playoff games into 50 million. The Spurs aren't stupid. If he wants to call it politics, go ahead, but his agent sucks if he thought for a second he was getting 50 million. Once the restricted tag was removed all he could get was 20 over three years.
I wanted him back it but the Buckets off-season negotiations from several years ago should have been a cautionary tale to his agent. Kid got bad advice from his agent. Good luck to him in Orlando.
Simmon is bitter because the Spurs called the bluff of his agent and himself and didn't overpay him. Spurs deal was very fair. Nobody can confirm if the third year was guaranteed by the spurs but in his first 2 years he would have made 18 mil. Even if the spurs didn't resign him in year 3 it's hard to believe he would have not a found team to sign with for at least a few mil hence allowing him to still make more money than the magic deal. This move Simmons made was all about ego and being petty.
I think you mean Simmons had to settle for 3 years / 20 mil
I definitely thought Simmons should have been a starter in place of Danny Green. I know Danny plays great defense but he leaves alot to be desired at that 2 guard position. Simmons may not be on Danny's level on defense but offensively he's worlds apart. You need your 2 guard to be able to get a bucket and possibly create for others. J-SIMMONS can do that better than D-Green.
The comparison with Stephen Jackson is pretty sad. Jackson was far better a player than Simmons ever was.
I think the team just realized they didn't need to spend that kind of money for a player that makes a good play every once in a while.
This is almost criminally stupid. No offense.
it, I say start Forbes and Murray in the backcourt.
I agre LMA mindset and approach hasn't been ideal and his selfish acts have lowered his value with the Spurs and across the league..ALL teams want their players to "buy in" into their systems or culture tbh. But when a MAX guy has issues it can be tough to resolve due to the $$ they make and their role on the team. Look at Melo for example..he's been disgruntled for awhile now and been more public about situation.. If LMA made less money he'd already be gone but that's not the case..
The worst part about the LMA deal is he's shunning a well known/respected winning culture in PATFO. Not a good look for his value going elsewhere....it's hard to keep a player happy like that..he's getting paid MAX $$, winning 60 Games, making All-Star teams etc.. still not good enough apparently.
At the end of the day it's still up to the player to produce and play good. If they did that more consistently they'd have more leverage to make a better case but PATFO will always get the benefit of the doubt due to their track record.
A disgruntled LMA is still better than no LMA at this point.
I agree. I think Juice's comments about politics were aimed at Manu. I liked Juice, and I wanted him back. I recognize that I was betting on his further development and not on his current level of play. For the right money I thought that was a good gamble - especially if the team sent Manu out to pasture and turned his role over to Simmons.
I always thought Simmons played (and looked) like LStephenson. I hope his post-Spurs career turns out better than Lance's post-Pacers career.
With his electrifying highlight-reel plays, Juice was a crowd favorite. He will be missed on that basis alone.
FWIW, Jonathon Simmons was Aldridge's best friend on the team as far as I know.
I would have liked him back at 9/27 or anything less, tbh..still, I understand teams being reluctant to pay for a guy for a few games worth of production..not to mention that his breakout series that Spurs fans love to cite featured a 48.5% TS, which is atrocious in terms of a "breakout series"
How were they aimed at Manu? Simmons played more than Manu in the playoffs, and damn near the same in the regular season.
The politics could've been about anything. He likely would've seen an increase in minutes again too, and if Manu did return, I don't see any scenario in which Simmons doesn't play more than him.
Simmons wanted more $$ and wanted to be able to showcase what he can do. He will have lots of time, and likely garbage time to do that in Orlando now.
that . If it wasn't for the spurs this dude would be working at a waffle house in Houston washing dishes trying to feed his kids. Foh with this “they held me back” bull
Does Pop tell players not to showboat?
Simmons, without shooting & defense that is overrated mostly (the idea of Simmons defense with his agility is better than his actual results 99% of the time we've seen him play) is the type of guy you can replace. It's really as simple as that. Especially if there is at ude problems.
He worked hard, made himself an NBA player and got a nice deal for his family. I would have been cool with him being back, but he is replaceable.
Those harping on Mills doesn't detract from that. 2 wrongs don't make a right, etc..
With respect to Simmons' minutes vs. Manu's minutes, I don't believe the quan y of minutes was really the issue (in Simmons' eyes) but the quality of those minutes. More of Simmons' minutes came in garbage time. I suspect he believes he is ready for prime time. If he blossoms like some of us hoped, Juice may see a big increase in minutes in Orlando. I would be disappointed, but not surprised, to see him relegated to virtually the same role and minutes there.
That wasn't going to happen. I think if he got the 9 million offer, he would have played for sure bc I don't think a team would pay a guy that kind of money not to play him, but he would have played the role and minutes that were better for the team. Consider Pau getting paid $16 mill last season and eventually becoming a bench player. He still played minutes, closed games, etc... he wasn't playing insignificant minutes, but he was demoted bc it was better for the team defensively to avoid the "bad defensive starts"... and if while being on that contract, he wasn't playing well enough he would have been traded out like SJax, Jefferson etc.
So, I am not seeing the Spurs guaranteeing a guy minutes and a role. That is not the way I have seen the Spurs manage their team.
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Where is the 50 million figure being quoted from?
I don't see anything in the article about 50.
3 years and 20 millions would have been a very affordable contract and could allow us to trade green.
I agree he will be missed, but Stephenson is a good example. He was an integral part of a team that got to the ECF... and a better playmaker and rebounder too, in that team. He was a starter too, not a bench player getting half his minutes in garbage time... He got paid and went to a worse team and he couldn't produce. He's not a natural shooter and going to a team in charlotte with poor spacing and no stars it was a different situation. He was nearly out of the league, while being a far younger player and maybe even more talented.
All this is about Juice's ego. His agent actually did a good job getting him a multiyear deal in this market when guys like Tyreke Evans are taking 3 million per one year etc. The agent ensured no matter what happens at least Juice has his parachute contract already... more than I will ever make for perspective. But if you hear Juice talk this isn't about his agent brainwashing him or whatever. It's his ego.
wow I didn't know that.I would have liked him back at 9/27 or anything less, tbh..still, I understand teams being reluctant to pay for a guy for a few games worth of production..not to mention that his breakout series that Spurs fans love to cite featured a 48.5% TS, which is atrocious in terms of a "breakout series"
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