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but what else would cleveland have to send the other way in order to make the trade work. i think that is going to be their biggest obstacle in making a trade for another star work.
It would likely have to be Frye + Brookyln 1st for Green. Frye's expendable on a 1 year $7.5 million dollar deal and would be needed to make the money work.
The more likely trade would be for the Cav's 2018 pick not Brooklyn's. That probably isn't enough to move the Spurs but throwing in Osman (who the Spurs reportedly liked) might be something.
but what else would cleveland have to send the other way in order to make the trade work. i think that is going to be their biggest obstacle in making a trade for another star work.
It'd be throwing away the season. We're not beating GS w/o Green or something immediately compensatory.
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Whats Green value around the league then? 15 - 20?
He's a proven 40% from 3 in the playoffs and All NBA defender. As far as role players go he would have to be in the top handful.
I guess only contending teams need a player like him but Cleveland for sure would value him and he would start. He's had multiple series guarding Curry, KD etc
Rose
Green
Lebron
Crowder
Thomson/Love
That is significant defensive upgrade and allows them to match-up with G/S as best as they can hope.
I cant see any other player that fills the need for them better then Danny. (in term of competing for the championship next season not potential)
Also the spurs wont have a clear payroll until Kawhi is 28 and in his prime. That will be the off-season that will determine who his main teammates are during his prime years
So since we have little chance the next 2 seasons i would be for downgrading a season for the chance at a lottery pick next season.
Last edited by ceds; 09-07-2017 at 01:44 AM.
Hard to say who's worse; you ing everytime someone posts something you don't agree with or Ducks and his pro Trump B.S.
Last edited by cd021; 09-07-2017 at 09:16 AM.
I understand your point. I thought personally they should have gone with younger prospects two seasons ago but Spurs chose to extend their aging guys as long as they possibly could and sign players like Gasol who are most definitely win now players. It's a phyilosophical debate in this forum at times with some arguing for some season off to mini-rebuild etc.
That's not what the Spurs have done. They have committed to an old group to win right now and have redoubled those efforts this off-season reupping Gasol Manu and Mills. It's counterintuitive to trade Danny (and Bertans) to rebuild after they reupped such players TBH. Spurs aren't rebuilding for better or worse. So as I said trading 2 rotation players for a blank check for the season after this one doesn't make sense.
Anyways, in general, it's tough to argue Danny is worth anything above a top 20 pick. The main issue is that at this point he's a 1 year rental, while a pick is cost controlled for 4 years and offers the possibility of a higher upside guy or a roleplayer at least just as good who will be useful for longer.
Danny is already 30 and his shooting has been average, not elite like it used to be. He's valuable, but hasn't been the s shooter he was between 2012-2015. He will likely seek to get paid $ before his decline, past prime Danny sets in. (I doubt he takes discounts from anyone but the Spurs TBH).
In this particular Cavs case, the Nets pick is the best asset they got in the trade they aren't turning that in for a one year Danny rental. LeBron is leaving and they need that pick to rebuild. If they can turn it into a player that helps them now and later they would take him, but for a one year rental in a roleplayer that is unwise. Danny wasn't great against GSW either this past postseason so it's not like Cavs could be swindled by a recent great performance.
Last edited by SAGirl; 09-07-2017 at 09:56 AM.
Well said. What I don't understand is this committing to a bunch of old s w/ the "Win Now" philosophy. Spurs aint winning this year as this team is built. Winning the division? Because unless KD and SC suffer some season ending injuries, no other team has a chance, sadly.
I agree that is probably Green's value, in the 15-20 range, though Cleveland could obviously use his skills to help improve their defensive versatility and their overall defense. I.T. is somehow a worse defender than Kyrie is and the team as a whole was bad defensively last season.
Thompson, Lebron (when he isn't coasting) Crowder, and adding Green would give them four plus defenders including three on the perimeter and allow them to better match up with Golden State.
Someone brought up the idea of moving Green to Cleveland (presumably for Frye) and then the Cavs would swap the Brooklyn pick for our 2018 pick.
Cavs Get
Danny Green
2018 Spurs 1st round pick
Spurs Get
Channing Frye
2018 Brooklyn 1st round Pick [top 5 protected] (Brooklyn is probably gonna be closer to 5-10)
Last edited by cd021; 09-08-2017 at 01:43 AM.
^God you're ing delusional.
Didn't say it was gonna happen, I was responding to Ceds post about what a trade involving the Brooklyn pick might look like if it were to happen.
Normally I would agree that Danny is not worth the pick.
I'm just saying it has the makings of a perfect storm. There's no doubt Lebron would rather have a player to help him win now then the Cavs holding onto the pick. He will pressure the Cavs to trade the pick and he will get his way like he always does. He has basically been the cavs coach AND gm since he returned.
The first option for them would to try and package love & the pick for Cousins who's in a contract year. If they can't get that then there is no star left on the market. (Melo doesn't count).
If cousins is option A then option B would be to find the best defensive guard they can with Frye & the pick.
I think Danny is the best SG they could trade for with that package and explained in an earlier post why Cle would value him and that he would immediately start.
I realize this trade has little chance of happening but also think many are overestimating what kind of players Cle can get with Frye and the pick. Especially If we included Bertans and/or gave up our first
I'm curious of the SG's or players you guys think they can get with Frye + pick
Last edited by ceds; 09-08-2017 at 08:40 AM.
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