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Get well soon Tony.
Murray and Mills willingly giving up that starting spot with their play on the court, now that Parker is nearing his return.
This season hangs on Parker and it's not close
Get well soon Tony.
we need mvptony back
get well!!
I don't understand why there's so much hate for Tony on this board. He's consistently said all the right things throughout his career. If he has the maturity to take a backup role in light of Murray's ascension, we should celebrate him for that.
Don't be silly TP. Deounte is scared to even take a jumper. At least TP had the balls to shoot the ball when he was younger and made some of them.
Deounte can't shoot for . Doesn't even want to take them. If he didn't take any shots in Summer League, what the were the Spurs expecting he was going to do in the NBA season without working on shooting in game situations. They used the wrong approach with him by trying to turn him into a play maker while leaving him impotent on offense. They should have been telling him to distribute when he can and shoot the ball the rest of the time to work on his jumper in live game situations.
"As long as I at least play 26 minutes per game," Tony added (under his breath).
If following up a good game with a trash game is enough to make you not starter material, then Parker didn't deserve his spot last year...
Truth bomb. My nig Dejounte playing like a deer in headlights
Parker doesn’t have careless back breaking turnovers. And he doesn’t get swatted like Murray. Parker is on the major decline, but I bet he plays winning basketball better than Murray.
He's likely trending toward net-negative territory in his aggregates after his second dud in a row. The team is still only about half-way through a decent sample size, so I think it's fair to call the results mixed so far.
Spot on...
What makes it even worst is Murray isn't even consistent finishing at the rim..he can penetrate can get by his defender at will but can't consistently make the right play while doing so
Truthfully, I don't know what the spurs were doing with him in SL... even as awful as he was ... and he was SOOO BADDD, he needed to play. He needed to work on his stuff. I thought at the time there were trades potentially involving him or things of that nature.
I also think the Spurs had some hope with Bryn Forbes who is a tremendously good shooter in lower leagues and they decided to make him the man to build confidence. See how Bryn keeps getting opportunities in real games ahead of others ... but I suppose at some point those opportunities will run out if he can't shoot in the NBA.
But at this point it doesn't matter that was summer and this is now. Bryn needs to develop ice in his veins.. and Murray needs a jumper, he already has an aggressive mentality.
I actually disagree with this. The goal was not for Murray to start this year. It might not have even been for him to start for the foreseeable future. Tony's injury and the inability to get someone like Paul is what changed that. They did the right thing last year by having him work on his body, in my opinion. While he may still be too skinny, he's big enough to play in the league this time around. This was the year I wanted him to work on a jumper and tightening up his handles. Then next year, he'd would have been able to hold his own offensively as Leonard's number two on the perimeter, and he could keep adding to his game from there.
His timeline got expedited, but the dude is still a project. Folks keep on forgetting that. He's not going to be all the way there yet, but I like him over a guy like Payton or Mudiay in terms of his development curve.
If only we could combine the two
Yep, he takes silly floaters that are looking like low percentage shots. A young TP was a superior player (better finisher, distributor and penetrator) and even though TP wasn't a great shooter, he was still much better shooter than Murray has shown so far.
I have no idea why the Spurs were trying to get him to distribute the ball and play like a PG in Summer League while ignoring the fact that he needs to learn to shoot the ball, and he also needed to practice that said shooting in live game situations.
Tbh he's still a street ball type of player..doesn't understand pace or how to be effective running sets or making the right plays..but he's trying and learning and his effort has been great... He doesn't even need a 3ball either..just a pull up around the elbow coming around a PNR..if he devolved that the big would be forced to leave the paint or his man and that will lead to better things for Murray.
Note: What the Spurs wanted him to do in Summer league isn't an excuse..working on the skill in the gym is....improving a shot is allllllll about muscle memory and repe ion
I don't disagree with most of what you said, but IMO, I believe he should have been working on his jumper in Summer League and learning to take shots from different spots on the floor. We all know Bryn can shoot, we didn't need to see Bryn shooting the ball so much IMO. There was other areas of Bryn's game he needed more work on such as defense, distributing, running the point. Murray should have gotten more play and more shots up. He has the higher ceiling between Bryn Forbes and himself.
That's very true. I should have mentioned that I understand the Spurs were trying to get rid of those streetball habits and turn him into a real player. I just think shooting was a major weakness in his game that should have gotten just as much attention as learning to be a PG seemed to get.
Chinook's take about him working on his body was a good one too. His body does look better prepared to handle the NBA this season compared to last.
Last edited by Ice009; 10-27-2017 at 09:06 PM.
I noticed his first few games in preseason as a rookie that he has good court vision but his real desire is to score. He would force up over shot blockers sometimes a couple of them while teammates were open on the perimeter or bigs available nearby... just bad decision making. So I think for a PG working on decision making was super important. Him forcing shots while playing with LMA, Kawhi, and a great shooter like Danny, open somewhere was not going to fly. So Pop went to the basics bc that is how incredibly raw he looked at times, ppl forget that. It's been amazing to me how he has been able to distribute and set up PnR passes like we saw in the last game bc we weren't seeing those plays all last season, even in his hot games that ppl cite as evidence of his talent. He just got hot, in some of them he made jumpshots he can't make regularly. But it's a glimpse and that is fine. However, he wasn't really setting up others like I saw him do in prior games.
He still needs to develop a jumper bc obviously even his ability to distribute is going to be impacted by the fact that he can't score so it's a catch 22 and at some point, you'd rather put the ball in someone elses hand, even a less physically gifted player like Mills or Forbes, but who can make a jumpshot (in theory).
He has that starting spot locked when he returns until further notice..No need to apologize Tony..
Anyone who thought otherwise
My Tony getting inserted into the starting lineup on his first game back
This team is literally trying to win without a PG right now. Murray's not ready and Ginobili can't do it anymore (even last season, in this dire a situation, he probably finds a way to close Pacers out). In comparison to that, it doesn't even matter how finished Parker looks, he can at least run an offense and isn't a non shooter.He has that starting spot locked when he returns until further notice..No need to apologize Tony..
Anyone who thought otherwise
Would classify Green and maybe even Paul as more wings than guards, but technically they have 8 guards and the only one who can actually run the team, is 35 (closer to 40 in mileage) and coming off of a devastating injury. They should be embarrassed.
I think a Parker with an amputated leg is better than the other “point guards” on this roster.
Pictured: the rest of the league's reaction when they hear the news that Porker is starting again.My Tony getting inserted into the starting lineup on his first game back
Pitty Mills and Deounte Murray. The Spurs have 0 good point guards between these two. 1 + 1 = 0 with these two. I mean, did anyone see that sideways floater Murray tried late in the 4th quarter?
It's ing beyond me why the Spurs never had him work in his shooting in Summer League.
Also, how many times is Mills going to air ball a 3 with that game on the line? I don't think I've ever air balled a last possession shot before. I may not have hit a lot of them (most of my misses were darn close, a lot of them felt good leaving my hand), but I don't recall ever air balling any. This guy regularly air balls. If you're a shooter, you should be ashamed of yourself air balling last possession shots when you get a decent look at it.
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