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"He's another player who takes the MVP-spotlight away from a healthy Kawhi, therefore I must irrationally on him."
I have a hard time putting a player in even the top 5 if they have no jump shot. Let’s see IF Milwaukee makes the playoffs, and what he night do in that environment.
"He's another player who takes the MVP-spotlight away from a healthy Kawhi, therefore I must irrationally on him."
He's great, but take away his height and athleticism, what skills does he have that are better than Lebron, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Harden and some of the other guys in the top 10? He's not a top 5 player IMO. You need skill to be able to dominate in the biggest playoff games when teams lock in on you. Athleticism can only get you so far.
I viewed Shaq the same way, but he was just too much of a physical specimen able to dominate guys smaller and weaker than him, and he also had a highly skilled player in Kobe to finish those games. Shaq would not have done well if he was the go to guy in the 4th quarters and there was no Kobe. He wouldn't have won in the playoffs as his fundamental skills weren't good enough when the games were on the line. Take away his freakish size, strength and athleticism, he wouldn't have even been in the NBA.
Giannis is very good, but he's gotta keep working on his fundamentals (shooting being the main one for him) to be able to take a team far in the playoffs (unless he has a stacked roster that can take a lot of the pressure off of him and help carry him in big games).
Anyway, I'll wait and see how he does in the playoffs before I even put him in my top 5.
This poster has been a quality poster for some time now.he's is a great player tbh, but imo I think he wouldn't be doing as much if the klaw was in the floor but we will see next game !!
Why would I take away his height and athleticism?
'Curry is great, but take away his 3 point shooting and handles, and he's just an average player!!'
He scores most of his pts on the break and broken plays. He still has some troubles against good stablished defenses. I specially liked the idea of having a bigger guy than him guarding him. LA did a great job on the kid, too bad Pop used that strategy so little.
You ing idiot.Why would I take away his height and athleticism?
'Curry is great, but take away his 3 point shooting and handles, and he's just an average player!!'
Curry worked on his shooting and dribbling. Did Giannis work on his height and athleticism?
really??? this is so wrong
about giannis:
he has 60% of ts without jumpshot and with Shaq at the fg% level on the rim, his help defense is insane, why should he be decreased by not having a jumpshot? I feel that if I played for SA the comments here would be completely different, , people were comparing Kawhi with Jordan because of 1 season
Nothing a Vicks Vaporub won't heal, tbh...
Can you rephrase that?
As for Giannis, how much of his game is based on his combination of height and athleticism? I'd like to know people's opinions on that.
I just simply don't put him in my top 5 for now. He's a great player, but I'd like to see more of him in the playoffs, and also for him perform well there before he gets into a top 5 conversation for my personal list.
Shaq was a great player too, but I didn't think he was very skilled. He did have skills, but his freakish body is mostly what made him great IMO. I probably went a bit over the top saying he wouldn't be in the NBA without it.
Last edited by Ice009; 11-13-2017 at 05:22 AM.
rankings are personal, it does not matter much.
meanwhile minimizing a power forward that has 60%ts and is a total mismatch for ANY player in the league (probably ever) does not make sense to me, on Shaq he's probably one of the most skillful bigs ever (especially with his size)
I disagree completely about Shaq.
You put him in Tim Duncan's body (or another similar height, but smaller weight and strength player than Shaq was), he'd be nowhere near as good as TD was.
His size and athleticism is what allowed him to dominate. His skills were secondary to that.
TD's skills is what allowed him to dominate (yes, his size an athleticism did help too, but that was secondary to his fundamental skills). Curry's skills are what allow him to dominate. These guys dominate primarily because of their skills. Shaq dominated primarily because of his size, strength and athleticism. He did have skill, but IMO that was secondary to what I mentioned previously.
Dwight Howard, in his prime, dominated primarily because of his athleticism, not skill.
Some players are an combination of the two. Jordan, Kawhi, Kobe, those guys have both skill and athleticism which went hand in hand.
Last edited by Ice009; 11-13-2017 at 06:44 AM.
Jordan /Kawhi comparison mostly were about they're playing style.
no problem
Who gives a what he worked on, you ing imbecile. If his amazing athleticism and height as you claim makes him better than 99% of basketball players...then he's better than 99% of other basketball players. 'Take away..' is an idiotic argument, because he has it.
17-18 seems to be his breakout year, confirming "big men take several years to develop", so probably he can get even better, better game mgmt, better leadership.
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