State dollars eyed to help lure Saints

[TheWriter]

Anyone care to offer a response that isn't predicated on a unfounded racism charge or the notion that Buddy Holly has any clue what he is trying to say?

41,000 median household income. Up from 26,000 in 1990.

[Marcus Bryant]

Look, San Antonio is not an attractive market relative to a sizable number of cities. That's not racism that's reality.

But it is attractive when compared to New Orleans and it has an opportunity to land a NFL team which is probably going to be its best chance in 20 years to do so.

Now if you can't participate in this discussion, that's understandable. Step aside and let people who can, do.

[TheWriter]

Look, San Antonio is not an attractive market relative to a sizable number of cities. That's not racism that's reality.

Thank you for your opinion, but like assholes, everyone has one.

Try something for a change. You can't be prentending to black all your life.

[Marcus Bryant]

41,000 median household income. Up from 26,000 in 1990.

So what? That works out to a 3.3% CAGR. Stop the presses.

Compare the levels and the rate of change to at least a national benchmark and get back to me, intern.

[Marcus Bryant]

Thank you for your opinion, but like assholes, everyone has one.

Try something for a change. You can't be prentending to black all your life.

Oddly enough, my opinion is backed up with actual links to sources that provide both a consistent series as well as a relative evaluation of SA versus other markets.

You apparently are incapable of formulating such an argument. No surprise.

[TheWriter]

The numbers don't lie. And they're colorblind too.



source

That's TV households.

Now how about per capita income?



What about other NBA TV markets in the bottom half of the league?


BEA

Among the 15 smallest NBA markets in terms of TV households, San Antonio was the lowest in terms of per capita income in 2001 through 2003. The only reason the Spurs remain in San Antonio is because of the arena deal, which heavily subsidizes the team as well as due to the salary cap and in particular the luxury tax distributions as well as the ins ution of maximum salaries in the league.

I believe this is the exact same post from another thread we were going back and forth in.

Man are you so not original.

It's a small tv market, sure. It's per capita isn't the best.

Get a new act poser.

[Obstructed_View]

Convincing arguments for getting an NFL franchise:
1. We are a big rich city, except that we need state money to get an NFL team.
2. If you don't think we are a big rich city, you stick things in your ass.
3. My opinion is a fact, and your facts are just your opinion.
3. Also, you must hate us because we have brown skin.
4.

[2centsworth]

Red Mccombs says San Antonio can support an NFL team.

[TheWriter]

Oddly enough, my opinion is backed up with actual links to sources that provide both a consistent series as well as a relative evaluation of SA versus other markets.

You apparently are incapable of formulating such an argument. No surprise.

All you've proven is what's been known for a while.

San Antonio has a small tv market. Big whoop.

And that San Antonio's per capita isn't the best.

That doesn't prove your opinion.

So STFU about it or come up with something else.

[Obstructed_View]

I believe this is the exact same post from another thread we were going back and forth in.

Man are you so not original.

It's a small tv market, sure. It's per capita isn't the best.

Get a new act poser.

OMFG, did you just admit that it's a small TV market?

A breakthrough.

Now if you could stop responding to logic and facts with name-calling and grandstanding.

[Marcus Bryant]

Convincing arguments for getting an NFL franchise:
1. We are a big rich city, except that we need state money to get an NFL team.
2. If you don't think we are a big rich city, you stick things in your ass.
3. My opinion is a fact, and your facts are just your opinion.
3. Also, you must hate us because we have brown skin.
4.

Indeed.

[Obstructed_View]

Red Mccombs says San Antonio can support an NFL team.

Then why didn't he move his NFL team here?

[Marcus Bryant]

All you've proven is what's been known for a while.

San Antonio has a small tv market. Big whoop.

And that San Antonio's per capita isn't the best.

That doesn't prove your opinion.

So STFU about it or come up with something else.

I don't need to "come up with something else" because SA's ranking in those categories is the problem.

Duh.

[TheWriter]

Indeed.

Yep, you and Obstructed are both a number 4. That's been no real secret. But there's nothing wrong with it.

[TheWriter]

I don't need to "come up with something else" because SA's ranking in those categories is the problem.

Duh.

For per capita, sure.

Now check median household income. You won't because you're scared it'll up your little crack pot argument.

[Marcus Bryant]

Then why didn't he move his NFL team here?

We have a winner.

McCombs will play the civic minded businessman every day of the week but at the end of the day he's not going to make a bad move. Moving the Vikings from the Twin Cities to SA would've been a significantly bad move. No telling how much in franchise value that would've wiped out.

[Marcus Bryant]

For per capita, sure.

Now check median household income. You won't because you're scared it'll up your little crack pot argument.

1. Provide a link to the source.
2. Provide data for both SA and every other metro area in the US.
3. Median household income does not account for household size. That's why per capita income is a superior measure to use to measure the level of well-being in a market.

Until you can provide 1 and 2, shut the up.

[TheWriter]

We have a winner.

McCombs will play the civic minded businessman every day of the week but at the end of the day he's not going to make a bad move. Moving the Vikings from the Twin Cities to SA would've been a significantly bad move. No telling how much in franchise value that would've wiped out.

So is that why he was big on getting a team here in the early 90's (when SA's economy was crap compared to now) and would have been the owner of said expansion team.

[2centsworth]

Convincing arguments for getting an NFL franchise:
1. We are a big rich city, except that we need state money to get an NFL team.
2. If you don't think we are a big rich city, you stick things in your ass.
3. My opinion is a fact, and your facts are just your opinion.
3. Also, you must hate us because we have brown skin.
4.

1. we don't need state money, but we'll gladly take it.

2. We're not big and rich but we're one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Throw in a little creative marketing to surrounding areas and this could be a very profitable area for the NFL.

3. No body has the facts regarding the viability of the NFL in San Antonio. Would like to see a study done.

4. To be so closed minded before truly knowing anything reeks of racism to me.

5. What you do on your own time is your business.

[Obstructed_View]

We have a winner.

McCombs will play the civic minded businessman every day of the week but at the end of the day he's not going to make a bad move. Moving the Vikings from the Twin Cities to SA would've been a significantly bad move. No telling how much in franchise value that would've wiped out.

Actually, if memory serves, Red got lifetime concession rights to the Alamodome, so he stands to make a lot of money from any additional events held there. Those that remember when he owned the Spurs know that he has one party's interests in mind when he speaks.

[TheWriter]

1. Provide a link to the source.

I did.

2. Provide data for both SA and every other metro area in the US.

If it were that easy, I would. It's kinda hard to find every single cities 2004 MHI.

3. Median household income does not account for household size.

Then use census data for household size. You seem to love doing so.

[Marcus Bryant]

You have not provided jack. I don't know why you think that if you claim you did people are going to believe you.

But, I know, you think that San Antonio is greatest city on the planet.

That still doesn't make the stats lie.

[TheWriter]

You have not provided jack. I don't know why you think that if you claim you did people are going to believe you.

But, I know, you think that San Antonio is greatest city on the planet.

That still doesn't make the stats lie.

I provided you a link for the MHI number. Don't play stupid now poser.

[Marcus Bryant]

Actually, if memory serves, Red got lifetime concession rights to the Alamodome, so he stands to make a lot of money from any additional events held there. Those that remember when he owned the Spurs know that he has one party's interests in mind when he speaks.

Exactly. If a NFL franchise in SA is such a great investment he would've made it long ago.

[Obstructed_View]

1. we don't need state money, but we'll gladly take it.

2. We're not big and rich but we're one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Throw in a little creative marketing to surrounding areas and this could be a very profitable area for the NFL.

3. No body has the facts regarding the viability of the NFL in San Antonio. Would like to see a study done.

4. To be so closed minded before truly knowing anything reeks of racism to me.

5. What you do on your own time is your business.

Those are your arguments you are refuting. If locked in a room by yourself, would you beat yourself up?