Texans driven mad as tolls burn holes in their wallets

[SpursforSix]

A typo. And what goalposts? You did say that you were not affected and used that as a basis for nto caring.

I'm discussing the issues the article brings up not setting goals. Try a different deflection tactic.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I guess it might help me understand the situation if you'd explain it.

The tollways have to be approved by the state meaning that their is inherently governmental authority. This makes sense as you are creating a monopoly over these roadways. We live in a democratic republic where we elect representatives to run the government in our stead. The whole for the people, by the people thing. As such the government is supposed to govern at our pleasure.

Instead they are ignoring our interests and lying to us about the nature of the tollway programs they are starting. That is not for the people by the people instead it is for of a small number of wealthy corporate en ies.

With data usage caps that is done by a privately founded business where there is no inherent government authority. Given the capital, any investor or group of investors can compete in the market of ISPs. For example we have no data caps on our service through a compe or of whatever ty ISP you use that caps your data. Compare and contrast with the tollways where one company is gifted the toll road and there is no compe ion.

[TeyshaBlue]

Ive got first hand experience with what our local tolling agency puts away in groceries for their offices each week. Its sickening. But hey, they're raising the toll rates again. Got to pay for that organic spinach ya know. Cant run an office on less than $300/week for snacks.
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[SpursforSix]

The tollways have to be approved by the state meaning that their is inherently governmental authority. This makes sense as you are creating a monopoly over these roadways. We live in a democratic republic where we elect representatives to run the government in our stead. The whole for the people, by the people thing. As such the government is supposed to govern at our pleasure.

Instead they are ignoring our interests and lying to us about the nature of the tollway programs they are starting. That is not for the people by the people instead it is for of a small number of wealthy corporate en ies.

With data usage caps that is done by a privately founded business where there is no inherent government authority. Given the capital, any investor or group of investors can compete in the market of ISPs. For example we have no data caps on our service through a compe or of whatever ty ISP you use that caps your data. Compare and contrast with the tollways where one company is gifted the toll road and there is no compe ion.

Lots of has to be approved by a governmental authority. Prescription meds for one. And the dudes on the FDA board are largely made of ex-BigPharm CEOs.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

That is when using real events and phenomenon. When writing in a human construct like a paragraph there are certain conventions that you are disregarding.

You said they worked fine and in the same paragraph used several supporting sentences to back that initial claim. If you want to retract that as your basis for saying that they work fine then you are en led to do so but then you have no basis for said claim. If that is the case I would recommend to learn to write using paragraphs.

http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/fwalters/para.html

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lots of has to be approved by a governmental authority. Prescription meds for one. And the dudes on the FDA board are largely made of ex-BigPharm CEOs.

Sure and our voices count in those instances. Data usage caps are not in that group. Nice red herring though.

[boutons_deux]

our voices count

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just because other parties have a bigger voice given Citizen's United does not mean that our voices don't count.

I'm surprised you haven't offed yourself yet given your constant doomsaying and surrender tbh.

[sickdsm]

The articles says that the public had been led to believe that once the construction costs were covered the road would be free. Instead they kept the tolls and used them to try and make more toll roads. It's bull .

Did you just discover how the world works? Why do you think everyone else hates when a new fee or tax is imposed? I'm still paying fuel surcharges for some deliverys that were imposed when gas was really high.

[SpursforSix]

That is when using real events and phenomenon. When writing in a human construct like a paragraph there are certain conventions that you are disregarding.

You said they worked fine and in the same paragraph used several supporting sentences to back that initial claim. If you want to retract that as your basis for saying that they work fine then you are en led to do so but then you have no basis for said claim. If that is the case I would recommend to learn to write using paragraphs.

http://lrs.ed.uiuc.edu/students/fwalters/para.html

No...I don't need to retract. I stand by my initial claim. Tollways work perfectly for me.

[SpursforSix]

Sure and our voices count in those instances. Data usage caps are not in that group. Nice red herring though.

What do you mean "our voices count"?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did you just discover how the world works? Why do you think everyone else hates when a new fee or tax is imposed? I'm still paying fuel surcharges for some deliverys that were imposed when gas was really high.

So that is how you think that the world works? We are inherently a corptocracy or oligarchy? We should just surrender to our corporate overlords? You don't lean towards libertarian. You lean towards corporate shill.

Not everyone hates every tax. For example, Warren Buffett has repeatedly called for more taxes on his class. People particularly don't tend to care about taxes that don't apply to them.

[boutons_deux]

does not mean that our voices don't count.

our voices don't count, citizens have been effectively disenfranchised by the oligarchy, and it's getting muc worse.

Show where "things" are getting better and citizens voices count. Both are ing myths.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What do you mean "our voices count"?

What do you think Lincoln meant when he said "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."

[FuzzyLumpkins]

our voices don't count, citizens have been effectively disenfranchised by the oligarchy, and it's getting muc worse.

Show where "things" are getting better and citizens voices count. Both are ing myths.

Maybe for you. I have attended city council meetings and written to my reps and that has not been my experience. I get that they care about their big donors more but that does not mean my voice doesn't count.

And who said things are getting better?

[boutons_deux]

What do you think Lincoln meant when he said "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth."

white male slave holding FFs excluded the voices of "women" and "slaves" from being part of the country's "For The People".

women people couldn't vote until 120 years later, getting the vote many decades AFTER blacks did.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

white male slave holding FFs excluded the voices of "women" and "slaves" from being part of the country's "For The People".

women people couldn't vote until 120 years later, getting the vote many decades AFTER blacks did.

Lincoln said that in 1863. The 19th amendment passed in 1920. Your rant does not apply to what I wrote. That speech specifically calls for the end of slavery which came to pass a few years later. Try and keep up.

[boutons_deux]

Lincoln said that in 1863. The 19th amendment passed in 1920. Your rant does not apply to what I wrote. That speech specifically calls for the end of slavery which came to pass a few years later. Try and keep up.

Blacks got the vote in 1870

women got the vote in 1920

you're WAY behind.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Blacks got the vote in 1870

women got the vote in 1920

you're WAY behind.

That contradicts nothing of what I wrote but it does contradict your talk of women getting the right to vote 120 years later. Nice fail though. You should just take the loss and move on, Boutox

[boutons_deux]

That contradicts nothing of what I wrote but it does contradict your talk of women getting the right to vote 120 years later

1789 to 1920 is how many years "later" ?

[SpursforSix]

1789 to 1920 is how many years "later" ?

It's 131 dumbass.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

1789 to 1920 is how many years "later" ?

Lincoln is not a founding father, boutox. Your posts have been irrelevant to what I wrote. Still not keeping up.

[Chucho]

It's 131 dumbass.

[boutons_deux]

Lincoln is not a founding father, boutox. Your posts have been irrelevant to what I wrote. Still not keeping up.

Lincoln did nothing about blacks or women's voting rights, so they were still not full "(by the) people" in his speech.

‘government of the white men, by the white men, for the white men’

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lincoln did nothing about blacks or women's voting rights, so they were still not full "(by the) people" in his speech.

How is that his fault? The war was still being fought. He was working on the 13th at that time which was ratified 2 years later then on the eve of his death he openly supporting black suffrage. Sorry he died before he could finish his goals but to say he did nothing is wrong.