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  1. 10-18-2005 #26
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    Oh no. Next time, try to comprehend before you flame someone who was agreeing with you.
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  2. 10-18-2005 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by samikeyp
    I think the city can adequately support both.
    What?

    Get ready to feel the wrath of Dip McGee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWriter
    Do I believe the Spurs will take a hit, no, if they do it will be a very small one.
    I dunno. How often do you see 2 successful teams playing in the same city?

    And if the Saints do move, both teams with be SAS too. Odd how the San Antonio Saints sound good too.

    I think Bush planned all of this back in the early 90s.
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  4. 10-18-2005 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutalis
    I dunno. How often do you see 2 successful teams playing in the same city?
    Successful in what sense? Do you mean record wise or finanically?
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    That or just reply like a normal person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWriter
    Successful in what sense? Do you mean record wise? Or finanically?
    Financially? Aheh...

    I meant record wise, les... respect........... so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutalis

    I meant record wise, les... respect........... so on.
    I don't see how the Saints would affect the Spurs in terms of performance and vice versa.
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    The attendance dropoff was 19,791 in 96-97 to 17,235 in 97-98, around 2500 a game.

    http://basketballreference.com/teams...tm?tm=sas&lg=n
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-6
    The attendance dropoff was 19,791 in 96-97 to 17,235 in 97-98, around 2500 a game.

    http://basketballreference.com/teams...tm?tm=sas&lg=n
    Huge drop off...
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    Attendance in the 1996-97 season dropped off markedly after it was clear the Spurs were lottery bound. Games in March and April featured blue seat after blue seat in the 'dome. The Spurs' attendance dropped by 100,000 from the season prior (source).

    One could only imagine what the attendance figures would be like after a few seasons of lottery basketball and with season ticket holders given the opportunity to not renew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWriter
    I don't see how the Saints would affect the Spurs in terms of performance and vice versa.
    Well it doesnt. But the timeline shows that very rarely does both teams in one city do well. Usually its one ty and one good team for a decade, and they switch off or something.

    I guess I'm just overly concerned about what the Spurs get out of this.
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    http://www.basketballreference.com/t...tm?tm=chi&lg=n

    Chicago can't support pro sports.

    Drop offs for a losing team... how could they.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
    Attendance in the 1996-97 season dropped off markedly after it was clear the Spurs were lottery bound. Games in March and April featured blue seat after blue seat in the 'dome. The Spurs' attendance dropped by 100,000 from the season prior (source).

    One could only imagine what the attendance figures would be like after a few seasons of lottery basketball and with season ticket holders given the opportunity to not renew.
    Why don't you examin every basketball teams attendance when going from good to lottery bound.

    They ALL DROP OFF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutalis
    Well it doesnt. But the timeline shows that very rarely does both teams in one city do well. Usually its one ty and one good team for a decade, and they switch off or something.

    I guess I'm just overly concerned about what the Spurs get out of this.
    That's because only one team from 32 can win a super bowl.

    Only one team from 30 can win a le.

    The odds are never good for two pro teams in the same city winning a le.

    However, that won't cause the Spurs to start sucking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWriter
    That's because only one team from 32 can win a super bowl.

    Only one team from 30 can win a le.

    The odds are never good for two pro teams in the same city winning a le.

    However, that won't cause the Spurs to start sucking.
    I didnt mean a le per say, but you got the point.
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    Chicago

    Jordan's last season: 23,988

    The next year: 22,400

    Four seasons later: 19,736
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutalis
    I didnt mean a le per say, but you got the point.
    There's plenty of cities that have both a NBA and NFL team in the playoffs.
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    I'd think realistically that with a competing product in town that overlaps seasons to a degree, the Spurs could expect a little less than double the hit: around 4200-5000 less fans a game depending on who the opponent is.

    That's what happened in Atlanta right when the Falcons started improving and went to the Super Bowl, and the Hawks went from a 50 win team to the dog house. Sorry for the use of the ATL, but it's tough to try this with LA (no NFL), Chicago (more people and only one decent NFL year in the last eight or so), and Detroit (crappy NFL squad).

    Not the most accurate gauge, but it what I got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWriter
    This will not hurt the Spurs.

    Also, the NFL season is over by the time the real NBA season starts (after the All-Star break).
    I agree, and when Saints do get their act together and start being a real winning team, i would think that would make SA look pretty damn good to have a goal of owing 2 winning teams where it was said SA could not support an NBA team as well as an NFL......SA loves challenges
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-6
    I'd think realistically that with a competing product in town that overlaps seasons to a degree, the Spurs could expect a little less than double the hit: around 4200-5000 less fans a game depending on who the opponent is.


    Just love throwing numbers out your ass, huh?


    That's what happened in Atlanta right when the Falcons started improving and went to the Super Bowl,
    Atalnta is a city full of nothing but transplants. They could care less about pro sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWriter
    Huge drop off...

    I'm not even trying to be a prick here, but 2500 is a load of seats. That's over 100K less fans in attendance over a full regular season. Brutalis has every right to be wary of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-6
    I'm not even trying to be a prick here, but 2500 is a load of seats. That's over 100K less fans in attendance over a full regular season. Brutalis has every right to be wary of this.
    Chicago Bulls:

    2001: 21,674
    2002: 18,934

    A total of 2740.

    Drop off for lottery teams isn't an uncommon thing in sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWriter


    Just love throwing numbers out your ass, huh?




    Atalnta is a city full of nothing but transplants. They could care less about pro sports.
    What's your take then, Councilman? At least I prefaced my reply saying it was a guess. And here's what I used for reference.

    http://www.kenn.com/sports/

    http://basketballreference.com/
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  24. 10-18-2005 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-6
    What's your take then, Councilman? At least I prefaced my reply saying it was a guess. And here's what I used for reference.

    http://www.kenn.com/sports/

    http://basketballreference.com/
    Where is your source that says 4,000 less will attend Spurs games.

    Exactly, you're pulling numbers out your ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWriter
    Chicago Bulls:

    2001: 21,674
    2002: 18,934

    A total of 2740.

    Drop for lottery teams isn't an uncommon thing in sports.
    Ya think?

    Why don't you look and see that the Bulls were 17 - 65 in 99-00, 15 - 67 in 00-01, and 21 - 61 in 01-02, then? Lottery all three seasons.
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