I believe TP's fate depends entirely on Kawhi. If the reports about Kawhi's being disgruntled are accurate, then all Kawhi has to do is make known his desire to keep/drop Tony and his expiring contract.
He wouldn't do that. It's not in Kiwis nature to really meddle in FO business. He hasn't even been an active recruiter and he's in a very difficult, if not straight up ridiculous position to be complaining about a roster when he's injured practically the entire season.
I think Kiwi is more likely to be upset about this injury and ramifications of that on his career...
Mills, Green, Bertans, Anderson are on table.
Mills needs to go.
The Mills deal was like if Belichick used 2 back to back 1st round picks on RBs then went into FA by re signing Burkhead to a 4/52 million dollar deal. The deal made no sense and was unnecessary. Pop & RC the bed with that deal.
At least with Pau, he filled a huge need since LA was only other true big and it was only 2 years guaranteed.
Use Kyle or Davis to help offload Patty. ( whichever you don't see Spurs moving forward with since its highly unlikely they re sign both).
I didn't realize you and Kawhi were so close...
It is well known that PATFO sought out Timmy's opinions, and he was only slightly less reticent than Kawhi. The fact that somebody in Kawhi's "camp" apparently leaked info about his being "distant" already shatters one paradigm. I could easily imagine PATFO's soliciting their superstar's input, or alternatively Kawhi's communicating his opinion - in a cir spect way or more directly.
You could almost say they ‘took it like trade bait’
I agree though. I clicked in hopes of finding some serious conversation. Whoops.
What I meant by that is that they'll pan out or not, tbh, but we shouldn't be expecting any of those guys to soar into a known quan y that can help now. If it happens great, but it's not happening anytime soon anyways (maybe Murray). Also, to nitpick, don't forget LJC was a round 1 pick for the Spurs too.
this is probably the most serious thread in Sputstalk in like 5 years, tbh...
Heh... I just don't picture Kiwi as a meddler for better or worse. It's a very different thing to ask him if he ok with les say trading for Kemba, does he like his game? Would he like the team to trade for him after the FO already bas something worked out, than imagining Kiwi demanding someone be traded. Only LeBron pulls stunts like that.I didn't realize you and Kawhi were so close...
It is well known that PATFO sought out Timmy's opinions, and he was only slightly less reticent than Kawhi. The fact that somebody in Kawhi's "camp" apparently leaked info about his being "distant" already shatters one paradigm. I could easily imagine PATFO's soliciting their superstar's input, or alternatively Kawhi's communicating his opinion - in a cir spect way or more directly.
Mills
Re-read both of my previous posts. I didn't even suggest a demand.
When (year and round) did they draft Milutinov?
Round 1, 2015
True... still I think he's much more likely to be upset about his injury than about the roster. He tends t be very disengaged from recruiting to begin with and for as little as he speaks I don't recall him ever making comments in a negative fashion on anyone...
Also he's been injured. I don't think he can even really have a strong point to make about anyone if he's not playing. It would be very different if he was playing and his teammates let him down.
Still think his injury is 100% of his chilling ... I could be wrong obviously.
He goes with the Euro-trash until he proves otherwise. Isn't he a back-up with Olimpiakos or something?
1. Craig Popplevich
2. Patty
3. Green
4. Gasol
5. Gay (good contract just that he won't be playing over 25 games a year)
6. Forbes
Ahhhh...I think his chilling is a combination of factors, possibly including issues with LMA, which I have theorized for quite some time. I don't see that an offense can work very well - especially in today's NBA- with those two both in the lineup. I have the idea that Kawhi (and probably LMA, too) have the same issues as I do. Of course I am speculating wildly.
That is a good point but if he had an issue with Lamarcus, why would PATFO double down with him?
There can be chemistry issues though but again since he's not playing Spurs have to do whatever they can with whomever is available which is why him complaining while injured about anyone doesn't check out with me. Just doesn't make sense.
He need to get healthy and then raise if he wants to.
If you are PATFO, "doubling down" on LMA does wonders. It patches up Pop's reputation, repairs the Spurs image, gives you another season (which turned out to be the Lost Season) to perfect your iso-centric 80's brand of basketball, and failing that gives you a tradeable asset with restored value on a long term deal.
Why does Kawhi need to be on the floor to apprehend that the supporting cast isn't very good? You and I aren't in the lineup.
You’re finally living up to your potential.
If mills was worth his contract spurs would not want him
Traded
You think mills will bring spurs back a better player then mills?
Better call Kings gm
Bc IMO we have a fan perspective, a player ought to see where he could come in and make a difference for the better. That’s rather the perspective I have seen injured players have. Even bench players. Take Manu and the many times he would remarked coming off the bench allowed him to see what the other team was doing and ways he could impact the game right away, things he could do. That’s a players perspective, instead of someone criticizing teammates for not being good enough. Good players tend to even look inside first, at what they can do. Eventually though if they have done all they can and it’s not enough then you complain. That’s just an observation of how good players deal with adversity and such... Kiwi not playing, I just really doubt he would complain. Just my opinion.
That doesn’t absolve PATFO though from looking to improve the team.
Wait, our discussion hasn't been about "complaining". In my mind we were discussing whether Kawhi might offer his opinion about the direction of the team and about specific personnel. "Complaining" connotes something different to me - like airing dirty laundry in the media. But wait, Kawhi (or his camp) already has done some complaining that reached the media...
I don’t buy that personally. He probably was dissappointed the Spurs weren’t able to do anything different in the summer bc the rumors were that PATFO tried very hard to get Irving and had interest in CP3. He must have known everything that went down with LMA.
Kiwi complaining during the season would be very disruptive.
Lamarcus was unhappy for an entire season and didn’t voice things with a Pop until the offseason but your point about the chemistry and the past summer is a good one if he said something then Spurs are in the know. The reports about the roster came in early in the season or preseason which now make more sense to me.
This is just the kind of situation where no one gets traded. I guess anything's possible but nothing seems more possible.
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