Spurs targeting Knicks big man hernangomez and Pistons Johnson in trade?

[DPG21920]

That's why I said he's a lesser version. Point is, Mills upgrading him it's enough impetus to squander a core player or a copious amount of cap space.

I just don’t see their cap space being an issue. The net difference in Mills/Saric is like 8M and they will only have like 70M on the books. It really is not a hinderance at all IMO.

But if you want a shooter and don’t want to give up picks, how do they plan on getting said shooter?

[objective]

If Colangelo wanted Mills bad enough he would have paid him in the off-season

But if he's dumb enough to have changed his mind Spurs should take Amir and run for the hills without asking for anything else or thinking twice

[ace3g]

If Spurs trade for Johnson it better not be for one of our SG/SFs, we need to add more depth, not replace one.

[DPG21920]

If Colangelo wanted Mills bad enough he would have paid him in the off-season

But if he's dumb enough to have changed his mind Spurs should take Amir and run for the hills without asking for anything else or thinking twice

Lot’s of things change. SA locked Mills up quickly. PHI paid Red a large one year deal to get him to come and SA paid Mills more money over a longer period. Besides that, they traded up for Fultz because he was supposed to be a shooter that fit next to Simmons and he’s very clearly not a shooter (and had injuries too).

I mean there is a reason PHI is said to have wanted another shooter. Fultz didn’t pan out and his shot is completely broken. PHI only havs 5 players shooting over 35% from 3 (Spurs have 6 for context and would be 7 if Kawhi was healthy). Red ’s deal will be over next year and who knows if he comes back or how much he will cost.

Mills is cheaper, fixed cost and knows the coach well.

[cd021]

Hernangomez is a player.

Something like Lauvergne, rights to Milutinov, Paul. Throw in a 2nd if needed.

Or if they value Patty. Patty, rights to Milutinov, 2nd for Willy, McDermott, Baker

Don't see either trade getting the Knicks to say yes. I would still hope that they consider a Forbes plus second for Willie. Joff is going to opt in next season which isn't good considering how bad he is and Millitinov probably has 0 trade value at the moment

[cd021]

Joffrey, Paul, and a second I'm fine with. I wouldn't include Milutinov, I think he's better than Hernangomez by a decent margin.

Forbes is averaging 8ppg while hitting almost 41% on 3s, he is a better trade offer than Paul and Joff plus the 55th pick don't know if Millitinov moves the needle in a trade and while he could turn out to be better, Willie was good in the NBA last season.

[objective]

Lot’s of things change. SA locked Mills up quickly. PHI paid Red a large one year deal to get him to come and SA paid Mills more money over a longer period. Besides that, they traded up for Fultz because he was supposed to be a shooter that fit next to Simmons and he’s very clearly not a shooter (and had injuries too).

I mean there is a reason PHI is said to have wanted another shooter. Fultz didn’t pan out and his shot is completely broken. PHI only havs 5 players shooting over 35% from 3 (Spurs have 6 for context and would be 7 if Kawhi was healthy). Red ’s deal will be over next year and who knows if he comes back or how much he will cost.

Mills is cheaper, fixed cost and knows the coach well.

On paper, Philly could talk themselves into Mills.

On paper, he makes a lot of sense.

Shooter, doesn't need to handle the ball ( because he's not s playmaker), but that's good for a team with a lot of guys who like to have the ball in their hands.

And he's a vet who has no problems coming off the bench, no delusions of grandeur. He won't self sabotage and pout to try and force his way into starting. Great team and locker room guy, cheers for his mates.

Great relationship with their coach already. Knows how to fill a role on a team.

And so what if he's the highest paid backup point guard, they won't be on series cap restriction until Simmons extension comes up, and by then Mills' deal will be over.

That's on paper.

In real life he's been an underperforming shooter, especially past the first round of the playoffs. His defense has fallen apart and will only get worse as he ages and slowed down. Weight issues could hasten his slowdown.

And the Spurs have no leverage. He's not a luxury on that deal, he's an anchor weighing them down. Soaking up a lot of what little cap they have that's not allocated to Kawhi-LMA-Pau. If he was in a minimum deal I don't think Pop would be staining to find lineups for him when Parker has been better as a backup point.

If Philly only reads things on paper, I'm hopeful.

[lmbebo]

https://sports.yahoo.com/one-player-...221004964.html

List Johnson as a player that could be made available. Doesn't fit the needs of the team. Just in support of what some others have written above. Would be intriguing to see what he could become on the Spurs. Team needs to get talent however they can. Wasn't help a lotto pick or mid round 1st round pick a few years ago?

[cd021]

If Colangelo wanted Mills bad enough he would have paid him in the off-season

But if he's dumb enough to have changed his mind Spurs should take Amir and run for the hills without asking for anything else or thinking twice

I would ask for the 37th pick or picks 42 and 47 (according to NBA Draft Net, they have 3 seconds as well as a first) to see what they would say.

[DPG21920]

On paper, Philly could talk themselves into Mills.

On paper, he makes a lot of sense.

Shooter, doesn't need to handle the ball ( because he's not s playmaker), but that's good for a team with a lot of guys who like to have the ball in their hands.

And he's a vet who has no problems coming off the bench, no delusions of grandeur. He won't self sabotage and pout to try and force his way into starting. Great team and locker room guy, cheers for his mates.

Great relationship with their coach already. Knows how to fill a role on a team.

And so what if he's the highest paid backup point guard, they won't be on series cap restriction until Simmons extension comes up, and by then Mills' deal will be over.

That's on paper.

In real life he's been an underperforming shooter, especially past the first round of the playoffs. His defense has fallen apart and will only get worse as he ages and slowed down. Weight issues could hasten his slowdown.

And the Spurs have no leverage. He's not a luxury on that deal, he's an anchor weighing them down. Soaking up a lot of what little cap they have that's not allocated to Kawhi-LMA-Pau. If he was in a minimum deal I don't think Pop would be staining to find lineups for him when Parker has been better as a backup point.

If Philly only reads things on paper, I'm hopeful.

I don’t disagree from the Spurs side, but Mills isnt a bad player. He’s grading out well enough offensively and everyone knows that’s who he is. The issue with SA is they have a logjam that was unexpected when he signed (TP was injured and who knew how/if he would return, Manu was on brink of possible retirement, Murray/Forbes questionmarks).

From PHI perspective and not just on paper, if they both 1. Want more shooting & 2. Don’t want to give up picks to obtain that shooting the alternative is to take on some salary.

So for PHI, if that is really your goal there aren’t many better options for them than Mills. Will it happen? I don’t know but I can see many reasons for that to happen if what we’ve heard (PHI wanting a shooter and not wanting to give up picks) is true.

[sasaint]

On paper, Philly could talk themselves into Mills.

On paper, he makes a lot of sense.

Shooter, doesn't need to handle the ball ( because he's not s playmaker), but that's good for a team with a lot of guys who like to have the ball in their hands.

And he's a vet who has no problems coming off the bench, no delusions of grandeur. He won't self sabotage and pout to try and force his way into starting. Great team and locker room guy, cheers for his mates.

Great relationship with their coach already. Knows how to fill a role on a team.

And so what if he's the highest paid backup point guard, they won't be on series cap restriction until Simmons extension comes up, and by then Mills' deal will be over.

That's on paper.

In real life he's been an underperforming shooter, especially past the first round of the playoffs. His defense has fallen apart and will only get worse as he ages and slowed down. Weight issues could hasten his slowdown.

And the Spurs have no leverage. He's not a luxury on that deal, he's an anchor weighing them down. Soaking up a lot of what little cap they have that's not allocated to Kawhi-LMA-Pau. If he was in a minimum deal I don't think Pop would be staining to find lineups for him when Parker has been better as a backup point.

If Philly only reads things on paper, I'm hopeful.

I am pretty sure Pop reads the same paper.

[CGD]

I don’t know if Johnson is good, but spurs have been linked to him for some time. White and Joff should get it done.

[Play Boban]

Hernangomez could be a star here tbh.

[sasaint]

I don’t know if Johnson is good, but spurs have been linked to him for some time. White and Joff should get it done.

I definitely would not part with White to acquire Johnson.

[sasaint]

Hernangomez could be a star here tbh.

I have been liking both Hernangomez boys. But just say "No" to Stanley.

[r0drig0lac]

Saric is Philly's third best player, delirious even thinking they would trade a guy with that potential for someone in SA sans Kawhi

[CGD]

I definitely would not part with White to acquire Johnson.

Yeah, I don’t know much about Johnson just know the spurs have had the interest. I do like the hernangomez boys.

Do you do Pau for Noah + Hernangomez + nyc 2018 1st (currently around 12)?

[BatManu20]

Are there any other sources outside of this random Sportando one?

[DPG21920]

Saric is Philly's third best player, delirious even thinking they would trade a guy with that potential for someone in SA sans Kawhi

Say what? He’s like 7th in PER on the team, 6th in offensive rating, near the bottom half of active guys playing in defensive rating, I think 5th or 6th in win-shares & 5th or 6th in BPM.

Im not saying he’s bad at all, he’s done solid, but he’s not their third best player by any stretch.

[cd021]

Yeah, I don’t know much about Johnson just know the spurs have had the interest. I do like the hernangomez boys.

Do you do Pau for Noah + Hernangomez + nyc 2018 1st (currently around 12)?

I am all for acquiring the 12th pick but moving Gasol (who has been the second best Spur this season) for it and Hernangomez plus Noah seems a bit much. If Gasol was having worse season and the Spurs had big man depth like they did last season then I would consider it but no.

[cd021]

Are there any other sources outside of this random Sportando one?

The Athletic mentioned that both the Mavs an Spurs where going after Willy.

In theory, I could see a Noel for Willy swap but I hope the Spurs make a move for him.

[sasaint]

Yeah, I don’t know much about Johnson just know the spurs have had the interest. I do like the hernangomez boys.

Do you do Pau for Noah + Hernangomez + nyc 2018 1st (currently around 12)?

I honestly don't know. Noah's contract is so terrible, he has had a couple of major injuries and it it has been a good while since he has even played very much. I know Pau is inconsistent at best and unplayable at worst, but how bad is Noah these days? But maybe Hernangomez could be a sufficient replacement this season and we could pick a guy in the draft that is considerably better than the players we usually have to choose from. I think somebody posted that Noah was a cancer, which would kill the deal. But however long Tony is around (!), I bet Noah would be decent enough in the locker room. I guess you look at it like you are replacing Pau's bad contract with Noah's bad (worse?) deal, but replacing Pau, the player, with Hernangomez, which would be a short-term drop-off, but better in the long run PLUS you end up with a very high pick (by Spurs standards). Would Noah's contract (if not moved again) hinder re-signing Hernangomez when his deal is up in two years? If Noah is not dealt again, his deal will have the same restrictive effect on signing FAs. That has a bearing, too. I guess maybe I would do it, although I would rather move Patty before Pau.

[cd021]

On paper, Philly could talk themselves into Mills.

On paper, he makes a lot of sense.

Shooter, doesn't need to handle the ball ( because he's not s playmaker), but that's good for a team with a lot of guys who like to have the ball in their hands.

And he's a vet who has no problems coming off the bench, no delusions of grandeur. He won't self sabotage and pout to try and force his way into starting. Great team and locker room guy, cheers for his mates.

Great relationship with their coach already. Knows how to fill a role on a team.

And so what if he's the highest paid backup point guard, they won't be on series cap restriction until Simmons extension comes up, and by then Mills' deal will be over.

That's on paper.

In real life he's been an underperforming shooter, especially past the first round of the playoffs. His defense has fallen apart and will only get worse as he ages and slowed down. Weight issues could hasten his slowdown.

And the Spurs have no leverage. He's not a luxury on that deal, he's an anchor weighing them down. Soaking up a lot of what little cap they have that's not allocated to Kawhi-LMA-Pau. If he was in a minimum deal I don't think Pop would be staining to find lineups for him when Parker has been better as a backup point.

If Philly only reads things on paper, I'm hopeful.

Mostly good points save for the bolded:

This Mills is an under performing shooter is odd. His 3pt and 2pt shooting numbers are pretty similar to last season and down slightly from his Spurs career shooting numbers. He's taking 4.7 3's (career high) and hitting 38% which is certainly solid, especially without Leonard there to set him up.

Also the "especially past the 1st round" line discounts what he did to Miami in the Finals 13-23 from 3 in limited bench minutes. Defenses tend to get tougher and clamp down on shooters in later rounds, so a great shooter dropping from, say 40% to 34-5% certainly isn't unheard of.

I think you're being a little dramatic on the he's an anchor line. His contract is a clear overpay. Murray taking the starting spot makes Mills expendable, but that is how useful players tend to come available. Someone emerges as an alternative and then they become expendable. Spurs will operate above the cap in the off season and probably resign Gay, Green, Anderson, Parker, use their draft pick and bring in a vet big. Gasol's contract is only partially guaranteed for the season after that and he may retire meaning he'll get stretched and waived (2.3 million for three seasons starting in '19-20)


There's the very small but who knows option of Lebron meeting and agreeing to join the Spurs in which Mills and Gasol would make up the basis of a S&T package to Cleveland.


Overall, the idea of a Mills for Amir Johnson deal is interesting and probably pretty plausible. If a deal were to happen/ then I would hope for some sweetener such as the Knicks second rounder (currently the 42nd pick)

[TheGreatYacht]

Pathetic if true. We need efficient scorers. Defense ain't the problem.

Reggie Bullock is exactly what we need. Since he's started for them in Dec 12, he's shooting 54.5% from the field and 49.5% from three

[cd021]

I honestly don't know. Noah's contract is so terrible, he has had a couple of major injuries and it it has been a good while since he has even played very much. I know Pau is inconsistent at best and unplayable at worst, but how bad is Noah these days? But maybe Hernangomez could be a sufficient replacement this season and we could pick a guy in the draft that is considerably better than the players we usually have to choose from. I think somebody posted that Noah was a cancer, which would kill the deal. But however long Tony is around (!), I bet Noah would be decent enough in the locker room. I guess you look at it like you are replacing Pau's bad contract with Noah's bad (worse?) deal, but replacing Pau, the player, with Hernangomez, which would be a short-term drop-off, but better in the long run PLUS you end up with a very high pick (by Spurs standards). Would Noah's contract (if not moved again) hinder re-signing Hernangomez when his deal is up in two years? If Noah is not dealt again, his deal will have the same restrictive effect on signing FAs. That has a bearing, too. I guess maybe I would do it, although I would rather move Patty before Pau.

I mentioned above that it's a bad move but to play devils advocate;

Willy's deal expires the same off season that Noah's would and the Spurs would have his bird rights to resign him but he wouldn't be an RFA (one of those 4 year, fully guaranteed, second round pick deals ) Noah would be a huge expiring contract during the 19-20 season (something like $19 million) that would allow the Spurs to add better players on longer term deals that teams are looking to off load to save open up cap space.

The Spurs could probably easily package the 12th and 25 pick's and get into the top ten.

Spurs would still pay Noah but could keep him away from the team, the Knicks have mastered this strategy (Marbury, Eddie Curry).

Gasol has probably been the second best Spur this season, he's improved defensively and has developed into a reliable 3 point shooter on top of being an excellent passer and can attack mismatches in the post. Its hard to Devils Advocate him getting dumped on the Knicks and it not having a really bad affect on the Spurs. I really like Willy's potential on the Spurs, on top of his age (23 and a 1/2) and having two super cheap seasons after this one left after this one.

If the Spurs could get Willy (not apart of that hypothetical deal) without giving up any of our young players with upside (Bertans, White, Anderson, Murray, or a 1st - the last three would never be apart of a deal for him) then its a steal in my opinion.