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    Still no proof Russian active military are also contractors
    No, not definitive proof in Syria.

    We do know how the Russians operate, and we do know that they have used active duty troops in secret and work to cover it up. It isn't much of a stretch to think that the inept kleptocracy running the hole country of Russia would bother much with the distinction, as long as they can prop up their chemical weapon using friend.

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    No, not definitive proof anywhere
    Agreed thanks for retracting your earlier blanket statement

    We do know how the Russians operate, and we do know that they have used active duty troops in secret and work to cover it up.
    We do the same

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    Agreed thanks for retracting your earlier blanket statement

    We do the same
    Not retracting it at all. I think it is more likely than not that active duty troops are being used by the Russian government in Syria in secret, because that is consistent with the Russian governments past actions in Ukraine. Providing proof positive is another thing.

    We don't really do quite the same. We use contractors to backfill a lot of things that active duty troops do, for many of the same reasons.

    We just don't send hundreds/thousands of troops into combat telling them to remove all their unit insignia. Some fair number of special forces do that, but not on the scale the Russians do.

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    Shidddddd

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    Around 600 fighters with artillery and tanks, most Russian-speakers, took part in the attempt to storm the base, according to one of the people familiar with the matter. They counted on the U.S. having too little time to target them without risking casualties among its mainly Kurdish allies, but strikes began when only half the force had made it to the base, Kommersant newspaper reported, citing a former comrade of the mercenaries.

    Russia’s military has said it had nothing to do with the attack and the U.S. accepted the claim.

    “The Russians may have allowed the attack to take place simply to make it clear to Assad that you can’t do things without coordination with Moscow,” said Yury Barmin, a Middle East analyst at the Russian International Affairs Council, a research group set up by the Kremlin.
    They got their handed to them.

    The US has been doing close-in combat support for over a decade for ground troops. I would guess the mechanisms/personnel for that are very good at responding quickly, much to the Russian/Syrian surprise.

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    Still no proof that Russian active military are also contractors

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    Mm I guess no proof

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    lol contractors

    Good stuff.

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    Not retracting it at all. I think it is more likely than not that active duty troops are being used by the Russian government in Syria in secret, because that is consistent with the Russian governments past actions in Ukraine. Providing proof positive is another thing.

    We don't really do quite the same. We use contractors to backfill a lot of things that active duty troops do, for many of the same reasons.

    We just don't send hundreds/thousands of troops into combat telling them to remove all their unit insignia. Some fair number of special forces do that, but not on the scale the Russians do.
    I find it amusing that he will give credence to every other conspiracy available but not the notion the Russians would conspire to hide their troop activities and control their media.

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    Mm I guess no proof
    Interesting way to deflect from having your nose rubbed in Russian involvement in both spheres.

    BUT THEY MIGHT NOT BE CONTRACTORS TOO!

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    I find it amusing that he will give credence to every other conspiracy available but not the notion the Russians would conspire to hide their troop activities and control their media.
    Huh? I already said they do it and we do it too. Try to conceal our secret ops of course

    What I laugh at is at his blanket statement that Russian contractors are also active russian military

    No proof

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    Interesting way to deflect from having your nose rubbed in Russian involvement in both spheres.!
    What spheres moron. Ukraine and Syria are of a lot closer to Russia than to USA

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    MOSCOW — Four Russian nationals, and perhaps dozens more, were killed in fighting between pro-government forces in eastern Syria and members of the United States-led coalition fighting the Islamic State, according to Russian and Syrian officials.

    A Syrian military officer said that about 100 Syrian soldiers had been killed in the fighting on Feb. 7 and 8, but news about Russian casualties has dribbled out only slowly, through Russian news organizations and social media.

    Much about the attack and the associated casualties has been obscured in the fog of war. For reasons that remain unclear, Syrian government troops and some Russian nationals appear to have attacked a coalition position, near Al Tabiyeh, Syria.

    The attack occurred in the vicinity of Deir al-Zour, a strategic, oil-rich territory that is coveted by the Syrians. Most of the fatalities were attributed to an American airstrike on enemy columns that was called in by American-backed Kurdish soldiers who believed they were under attack.

    At no point, an American military spokesman said, was there any chance of direct conflict between United States and Russian forces.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/w...yria-dead.html
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    nothing gets past you.

    not even the link at the bottom

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    nothing gets past you.

    not even the link at the bottom
    You're crying, why?

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    So where are the 600 russian soldiers bodies randomgay?

    Youd think androne, plane or camel hereer would notice 600 white bodies splattered in the desert

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    Oh imagine this.
    The Russians are now involved in a clusterfck and there is confusion about what US backed groups have done.

    Have fun Mr. Putin.

    For hater, RT news will tell him what really happens in Syria.

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    Hearing reports both sides are massing in the Euphrates valley for a showdown, SAA bringing in AA defense this time

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    Scary that this could happen because SAA now knows it can take the F16 out of the sky. A few hundred USA special forces on the ground illegally are not going to deter them from trying to retake their valuable national oil fields. Iran and Hezbollah will probably try to respond asymmetrically if we openly wage war against SAA. could go bad quick.

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    don't worry. trump knows way more than the generals.

    remember?

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    Huh? I already said they do it and we do it too. Try to conceal our secret ops of course

    What I laugh at is at his blanket statement that Russian contractors are also active russian military

    No proof
    and I said "not all of them". We pretty much agree on that, so I am not sure what you are looking for.

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    don't worry. trump knows way more than the generals.

    remember?
    Cadet Bonespurs Hushmoney McPussygrabber to the rescue!!

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    Scary that this could happen because SAA now knows it can take the F16 out of the sky. A few hundred USA special forces on the ground illegally are not going to deter them from trying to retake their valuable national oil fields. Iran and Hezbollah will probably try to respond asymmetrically if we openly wage war against SAA. could go bad quick.
    Agreed, mostly. Presence of US troops is a deterrent, because those troops are backed by some solid airpower. Syria still has aid defense capability, but that is because they haven't turned it on US planes.

    This is where we will finally get to see if Trump really has been compromised by the Russians.

    That theory would predict that Trump will back down and abandon his allies rather than cross Russia. He will "declare victory" over ISIS, and get the US out, abandoning the Kurds.

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    Agreed, mostly. Presence of US troops is a deterrent, because those troops are backed by some solid airpower. Syria still has aid defense capability, but that is because they haven't turned it on US planes.

    This is where we will finally get to see if Trump really has been compromised by the Russians.

    That theory would predict that Trump will back down and abandon his allies rather than cross Russia. He will "declare victory" over ISIS, and get the US out, abandoning the Kurds.
    Kurds have always been a geopolitical football. We back them and them over at will. We will most likely end up doing it again and not because of Russia but because turkey is the more important ally.

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    Not to mention SDF is spread thin in the area since having to divert resources to afrin to defend against Turkey. SAA and allies may think they can blitz before American AirPower reacts. AirPower becomes less effective once you hug the enemy imho. What really surprises me is assad agreeing to send reinforcements to afrin to help the Kurds defend when they just got finished clashing with you in the east of the country. If i were assad id be allying with Turkey for the time being and let my enemies destroy each other. I guess we will have to see what happens.

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