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    I agree on the 12 guage imo don't even need to aim - ideal from women and old farts.
    ..or anyone else who breaks into your house.

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    He's basically saying there's more bad guys than good guys. This is universal knowledge, but it's something he can fall back on.

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    ..or anyone else who breaks into your house.

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    True. Odd that for some reason assault rifles are considered more deadly unless self defense is brought up.
    Well I can't think of a home invasion that involved a mass gathering size number of intruders, can you?

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    He's basically saying there's more bad guys than good guys. This is universal knowledge, but it's something he can fall back on.
    if we're going to weigh the costs and benefits of guns (as this thread/the OP tried to do) its pretty useful information

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    Well I can't think of a home invasion that involved a mass gathering size numbers of intruders, can you?
    Either they are just as deadly or they aren't. A person with nothing but semi-auto pistols killed 23 at a Luby's in Killeen. If you think you cannot kill 17 people in a crowded classroom with a handgun, you're mistaken.

    The deciding factor is the density of the group, not so much the weapon used. You could walk into a crowded room with a shotgun with 7 rounds of 00 buckshot and likely kill 10 people very quickly. Try that same gun at a park where folks can run after that first shot, things change.

    The trick is to secure the areas where large crowds gather, where there's only one entrance/exit (rooms) and where neighborhoods or hotels border the campuses.

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    if we're going to weigh the costs and benefits of guns (as this thread/the OP tried to do) its pretty useful information
    I don't see it as cost/benefit analysis as much as railing against the news for not having balanced reporting. Even if the guy saved 17 people, the gun probably wouldn't be mentioned. Cops do it every day, rarely gets more than local mention.

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    Pretty much where that story is, genius.

    So, you don't know what the saying means.

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    So, you don't know what the saying means.
    Yes I do.

    You're just mad it's actually all over the news.

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    Yes I do.

    You're just mad it's actually all over the news.
    According to you it means one outlet covering a story.

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    According to you it means one outlet covering a story.
    Nope, plenty of outlets covered the story.

    You didn't even check.

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    I don't see it as cost/benefit analysis as much as railing against the news for not having balanced reporting. Even if the guy saved 17 people, the gun probably wouldn't be mentioned. Cops do it every day, rarely gets more than local mention.
    a man saving his neighbor is about as much a national story as a man killing his neighbor.

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    Nope, plenty of outlets covered the story.

    You didn't even check.
    Give me a rundown on what networks and cable stations covered it, then, and for how long.

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    a man saving his neighbor is about as much a national story as a man killing his neighbor.
    So, we should rely on sensationalized news stories to determine our gun laws is what you're saying?

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    So, we should rely on sensationalized news stories to determine our gun laws is what you're saying?
    no. we just shouldn't get triggered when every local story we like doesn't get plastered in the national news

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    Give me a rundown on what networks and cable stations covered it, then, and for how long.

    lol

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    Oh, so "all over the news" to you means you could find more than one link on the internet.

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    Either they are just as deadly or they aren't. A person with nothing but semi-auto pistols killed 23 at a Luby's in Killeen. If you think you cannot kill 17 people in a crowded classroom with a handgun, you're mistaken.

    The deciding factor is the density of the group, not so much the weapon used. You could walk into a crowded room with a shotgun with 7 rounds of 00 buckshot and likely kill 10 people very quickly. Try that same gun at a park where folks can run after that first shot, things change.

    The trick is to secure the areas where large crowds gather, where there's only one entrance/exit (rooms) and where neighborhoods or hotels border the campuses.
    Yeah I don't think you can kill 17 people as easily with a non semi auto handgun as you can with an ar-15. None of your arguments anywhere here on this board have changed that.

    Especially the "yeah well what about a car" thing

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    Yeah I don't think you can kill 17 people as easily with a non semi auto handgun as you can with an ar-15. None of your arguments anywhere here on this board have changed that.

    Especially the "yeah well what about a car" thing
    how can you think at all on this issue when you have no clue about the issue? you just stated, "yeah i don't think"... well i want to hear from someone who knows and not someone who speculates because they have no expertise in the subject. so your 0 knowledge helps none!

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    Yeah I don't think you can kill 17 people as easily with a non semi auto handgun as you can with an ar-15. None of your arguments anywhere here on this board have changed that.

    Especially the "yeah well what about a car" thing
    You can kill 17 people really easily with a homemade bomb. Your argument has no legs. Never will.

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    Oh, so "all over the news" to you means you could find more than one link on the internet.
    It means it was pretty widely reported in local, regional and national outlets.

    You're demanding it be the top story everywhere in the country.

    That's stupid.

    You're stupid.

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    You can kill 17 people really easily with a homemade bomb. Your argument has no legs. Never will.
    so why do mass murders in the US use guns way more often than they use bombs?

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    I know a lot of people boycotted when Wal-Mart stopped selling bombs to 18 year olds.

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    so why do mass murders in the US use guns way more often than they use bombs?
    The United States is not a 3rd world country. I've already agreed to better backround checks and mental health screens including enforcement at State and Federal level so we don't have another Parkland where the FBI and local police sat on their hands. I'm assuming your argument is to make it harder for these mass murderers to get guns. I'm all for that.

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    It means it was pretty widely reported in local, regional and national outlets.

    You're demanding it be the top story everywhere in the country.

    That's stupid.

    You're stupid.
    you're not playing your own game well pav... always so demanding and en led yet you puss out when the script flips. if anyone is stupid it's your dumbass.

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