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    Do you really believe people are opposed to it because of the impact on gun sales or that 18 year olds are allowed to vote and serve in the military?
    I think the latter is just a more palatable explanation for the indignation, but on its own would not result in this level of controversy.

    It's about gun sales, just like arming teachers, just like the "good guy with a gun" myth, and just like every other NRA talking point that keeps us from doing anything.

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    To which militia do you belong?

    How many AR-15s do you own?
    Why don’t you keep the one firearm you own in your home?

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    Why don’t you keep the one firearm you own in your home?
    Why did you push the Pizzagate lie?

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    I'll keep my right to a militia against a corrupt government. But thanks, anyways.
    To which militia do you belong?
    If he's between the ages of 17-45 he's a member of the reserve militia. If he's called to arms he will most certainly be fighting on behalf of the government.

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    To which militia do you belong?

    How many AR-15s do you own?
    I'll keep my right to a militia against a corrupt government.

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    If he's between the ages of 17-45 he's a member of the reserve militia. If he's called to arms he will most certainly be fighting on behalf of the government.
    and in that scenario, he wouldn't be issued a weapon? he'd have to bring his AR-15 from home?

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    White House Says Trump Will Meet With 'Members Of The Video Game Industry' Next Week [UPDATE: Video Game Industry Had No Idea]

    The White House today said that President Donald Trump will meet with executives from the video game industry to talk about violent games, a reaction to last month’s shooting in Parkland

    One person familiar with executive-level matters in the video game industry, who asked not to be named, told Kotaku this was the first that they or anyone they had spoken to had heard of this meeting.

    This is the second time the White House has linked the Parkland shooting to video games,

    https://kotaku.com/white-house-says-...+%28Gizmodo%29

    100Ms of kids play violent video games around the planet, but it's only America where there is an unstoppable slaughter by guns.

    goddamn, Trash and his team are mother ing stupid assholes. NRA spent $Ms on Trash's campaign, so 300M guns are NEVER the problem.

    So what is Trash's suggestion for violent video games? Stop making them?


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    Aww yes, the age old "it's the books/music/tv/video games that are the problem" argument.

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    Aww yes, the age old "it's the books/music/tv/video games that are the problem" argument.
    As the driving cause? No. As a contributing factor? There's some merit in that discussion.

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    As the driving cause? No. As a contributing factor? There's some merit in that discussion.
    They're symptoms, not causes.

    Our pop culture isn't nearly as violent as other countries with far less of a gun violence problem.

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    They're symptoms, not causes.

    Our pop culture isn't nearly as violent as other countries with far less of a gun violence problem.
    Which industrial countries have pop culture more violent than USA's?

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    and in that scenario, he wouldn't be issued a weapon? he'd have to bring his AR-15 from home?
    It's hard to imagine a scenario where our govt had to call on the reserve militia (i.e. general populace) to rise up in defense of the nation but still had the resources to issue weaponry. So yeah he'd probably need his own weapon.

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    If he's between the ages of 17-45 he's a member of the reserve militia. If he's called to arms he will most certainly be fighting on behalf of the government.
    With his own gun?

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    I'll keep my right to a militia against a corrupt government.
    So, you're not a member of any militia.

    Do you own any guns?

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    It's hard to imagine a scenario where our govt had to call on the reserve militia (i.e. general populace) to rise up in defense of the nation but still had the resources to issue weaponry. So yeah he'd probably need his own weapon.
    Red Dawn is just a movie.

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    It's hard to imagine a scenario where our govt had to call on the reserve militia (i.e. general populace) to rise up in defense of the nation but still had the resources to issue weaponry. So yeah he'd probably need his own weapon.
    yeah when people were drafted for vietnam they weren't issued weapons

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    yeah when people were drafted for vietnam they weren't issued weapons
    Being drafted into the military is entirely different than the concept of a militia that our founding fathers envisioned.

    Red Dawn is just a movie.
    The revolutionary war was not just a movie. If you want to make the argument that modern warfare/modern democracy/modern economy is vastly different than it was at the time of our founding and the idea of a citizen militia & the 2nd amendment is outdated then have at it. If you want to make the argument that Spurtacular has a fundamental misunderstanding of the intent of the 2nd amendment when he believes it's purpose is to allow him to rise up against his own government & people then have at it. I might even agree with you.

    Or everyone can carry on arguing that the 2nd amendment doesn't mean what it means.

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    Being drafted into the military is entirely different than the concept of a militia that our founding fathers envisioned.
    you brought up the scenario of the government calling on the general populace to rise up in defense of the nation

    thats what a draft is

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    you brought up the scenario of the government calling on the general populace to rise up in defense of the nation

    thats what a draft is
    I specifically said the reserve militia. The draft pulls people from the general populace into military service the reserve militia is the general populace.

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    Well the founding fathers let the state militias refuse to act if they felt like it. The idea of the "reserve militia" as you describe it didn't come around until 1903, when the government realized irregular militias for the most part always sucked.

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    yeah when people were drafted for vietnam they weren't issued weapons
    WOW

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    I specifically said the reserve militia. The draft pulls people from the general populace into military service the reserve militia is the general populace.
    The fact that you have to explain this

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    The fact that you have to explain this
    It got them googling

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    It got them googling
    No need to Google when you already know everything amirite

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    we also let them fire shoulder launched missiles in the course of their duty. and operate tanks.
    But we don't tell them they need to be 21 back home to do it. That's the point, Philo.

    The concept of "21" is age of understanding and responsibility. That's ok for alcohol, since young folks go crazy with the drinking and die before they get a chance to learn to chill. With guns, many of us grew up hunting and though we didn't personally own one, we had one we thought belonged to us. We never thought about shooting anyone with it because it's basically a tool. It sat in a closet until it was time to hunt. No one ever had to remind anyone that it wasn't a toy. Everyone I knew just took it for granted that guns were normal household items. , in HS half of us had rifles in the rear windows of our trucks on racks, at school.

    So when we hear how you should have to be 21 to own a gun, it seems strange. I get it that some people are just ing crazy, but we know these people are crazy most of the time and we do nothing about it in fear of offending someone. Instead, when someone we know is crazy as does something to validate our belief, we as a society impose restrictions on everyone to avoid singling anyone out. It's chicken . Whatever though, we have to live together, gotta make it work somehow.
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