So we should increase taxes on single mothers who spend 99-100% of their income on necessities like rent/food? That's "fair"?
My assessment of WV taxes is from a report saying what got cut to be able to provide the raise.
There will be no tax increase to offset the raise, and Blair said the government will see a $20 million reduction in spending to come out of cuts to general services and Medicaid.https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/us/we...ike/index.html
"With this agreement today to reduce spending in state government, in order to give every single dollar available to our public employees, we've achieved the goal of being fiscally responsible while also getting a pay raise that will help our teachers get back in the classroom and our students back to school," said Senate Majority leader Ryan Ferns, a Republican.
Delusional, magical thinking that hurts human beings, and says, loudly and clearly that money is more important than people. Am I missing something? This is what the GOP electorate wants. Punish poor people, and over unions whenever possible. They extracted one of those goals, and gave up on the other.
How magnanimous of them.
Your assessment seems diluted. That does not tell me where the tax revenue comes from. Did I not just mention that?
WV may very well be completely different than here. But the poor single mom here is most likely eligible to qualify for number of benefits, most likely of them being food.
So your in favor of raising taxes without knowing what taxes and who currently is overburdened in that state? Guess I'd like more info but then again I'm not a smart liberal that knows everything already........
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It's almost lunch time here at the office and just reading this thread made me think about the Mexican ladies that worked the Alamo Heights cafeterias and the wonderful enchiladas they made every Wednesday and made me hungry for them...
Literally means rural white person. Typically suggesting low income and of lower intelligence. How the heck is that not a demographic?
Thought my auto-correct was humorous.
But the poor single mom here is most likely eligible to qualify for number of beers, most likely of them being food.
How striking West Virginia teachers’ salaries compare with teacher pay in other states
“As a West Virginia teacher — and I’ve been teaching 10 years — I only clear right under $1,300 every two weeks, and they’re wanting to take $300 more away from me” for health care,
“But they tell me it’s okay, because we’re going to give you a 1 percent pay raise. That equals out to 88 cents every two days.”
West Virginia high school teachers made an average of $45,240 a year in 2016, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
That is the 47th-lowest salary in the 50 states and the District of Columbia, better only than Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma and South Dakota.
Elementary and middle school teachers do slightly better — they’re only 46th lowest.
“I was born in Maryland. And if I lived in my little, dinky town of berland, Md., I would be making $20,000 more,”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5864a1176cb7
I don't doubt teachers have a case (ALL teachers have a case), but as the article shows, comparing inter-state salaries must account for PPP/CoL
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Rural white person is a demographic. "Redneck" as a literal term applies to one's blue collar outdoor occupation. As a pejorative term, it typically targets one's cultural or socio-political views (i.e. you might be a redneck even if you live in the city.)
But I agree we shouldn't stick up our noses at rural people just because they're rural.
Worst Jeff Foxworthy joke ever.
^dummy
Says dude that thinks education 4 liberals guy is a hoot
Yes, I am in favor of raising taxes to pay for social services, and investing in teachers. I would assume that the people doing so probably have an idea as to how funding for state government is done. The word "overburdened" seems like a uselessly vague term when considering public policy.
Cost to benefit.
Ignorance and poverty are expensive. Spare a dollar now on education, but end up spending $50 on prisons or other costs seems like a no-brainer.
Further, spending more money on education makes the economy larger, by definition.
Taxes do not disappear into a vacuum, they get funneled into salaries, and public goods.
No one seems to arguing against a teacher raise. Not sure why your spending most of this post trying to persuade your position when I certainly agree. I think its silly how suddenly though that you believe the state govt knows what they're doing instead of having a discussion on who's taxes you want to jack up.
You WERE the one that just posted this, correct?
WV has some of the lowest paid teachers in the country. They have been denied raises for years, meaning their incomes have shrunk.
Shocker, the state, like hole Oklahoma, finds it can't attract and keep teachers. Underinvestment in education harms the economy.
Teachers are going to win this one, and the Republican senators that just voted to them over after the governor agreed to their terms are going to face a tough challenge, even in a deep red state.
Now though suddenly the powers that be know what their doing and how to effectively fund a govt?
Take SD for example. Yes, teachers are underpaid. The main tax burden is farmers/ranchers. SD relies on a property and sales tax. Take a $150k couple in Sioux Falls vs a $150k ag couple. The difference in tax paid is enormous. You can't just say, Raise property taxes because as it is now, the minority pays the huge majority of taxes. Nebraska is running into serious problems because of the same situation. Its a double edged sword their now because investors and farmers (near the borders right now) are starting to abandon NE farmland and its driving the prices down. Taxes need to be spread out so more people can be affected. Lets imagine a state where the only source on revenue is alcohol and tobacco tax. If you don't smoke or drink and the state wants to quadruple all state wages? it, might as well, no sweat off my sack. Sounds like maybe you don't pay enough taxes if your so quick to raise them without looking at where they are coming from and what they are spent on.
nounNORTH AMERICANinformalderogatory
a working-class white person, especially a politically reactionary one from a rural area.
Absolutely does not refer to out door occupation. Originally it did, Farmers worked outside, got a sunburn, hence red neck. Now? Absolutely not. Take a look at this thread. The entire state of WV obviously doesn't work outside yet there's multiple references.
Non college educated white rural voters is ABSOLUTELY and demographic that's discussed every election.
On Nov. ballot, FL legislature: 2/3 votes for future tax hikes - 60% of voters are needed to approve measure. This should pass easily. C'mon down you guys (just don't bring any liberal policies with you :-)
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Why not 2/3 votes for tax cuts too then?
You could have a 2/3 + 60 vote for every time the state wants to give some company a sweetheart tax cut deal.
+1000
Quit subsidizing the hyper wealthy with my tax money.
Hmmm. I do see your point. We are likely talking past each other a bit here.
You are right. Taxes should be passed that make sense. I am not going to try to be an expert on 50 state's tax schema though. The policy makers will have to figure it out, since they and their staff are ultimately the most knowledgeable.
No one generally wants to pay more taxes. That is the point of having taxes to begin with. Make it voluntary and you get
Again, I agree with you here. Taxes need to be raised, and not in a stupid way.
This FL money - nothing to do with you guys.
Neoliberalism, the oligarchy has LIED, like Ayn Rand, with an ideology that there is no common good, so taxes are bad, and that govt is bad, govt cannot, MUST not attempt anything for the common good.
Self-interested greed is the highest value, altruism leads to failure
intellectual runts like Ayn-Rand-adoring Paul Ryan say NEVER RAISE TAXES (on the oligarchy)
Last edited by boutons_deux; 03-07-2018 at 05:53 PM.
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-wa...atewide-strikeTeachers in Arizona voted Thursday night to launch the state's first statewide teachers' strike next week, following successful similar efforts in other states such as West Virginia.
Seventy-eight percent of school employees voted in favor of the walkout, which will begin next Thursday after three "walk-ins" before classes begin on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Tax abatements blew such a big hole in AZ state revenues that AZ now spends less on public education than it did before the 2008 recession, while teachers make 16% less:
https://gritpost.com/arizona-teacher-pay-tax-breaks/
Wages aren't the only reason teachers are striking
Schools in 39 of 50 states have seen decreases in funding for instructional materials for their students, according to data from the Urban Ins ute. These conditions have sparked a wave of teacher activism across the country.
Why it matters: Educators have had to pay for supplies themselves to provide new materials for students at times. Teachers' salaries aren't enough to pay for materials, either. In some cases they have to pay for materials for dozens of children.
The big picture: Teachers are having to teach students with materials that are defective, outdated and inefficient because of
a lack of funding going to state education budgets — particularly in Republican states.
"We've got to call it what it is ... teachers are begging to be heard and they're begging to have what they need to do their jobs well,"
— Teresa Danks, Oklahoma teacher and the head of Begging for Education
Behind the numbers: Costs for instruction materials per student have only risen six percent, from about $281 to $265, since the year 2000.
https://www.axios.com/new-data-shows...519623d89.html
on strike in Washington, will LA be next?
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/10/w...e-raises-union
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