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    Yes, but sometimes man has within him the power to commit great evil or great good in the name of his religious beliefs.

    exactly right my friend. any true believer in God and Jesus Christ will only raise arms against those seen as evil. And even then, only when necessary to protect the innocent.

    the others that committ great evil have a religious belief system that is not based on Jesus Christ or His Father. the beliefs of the evil are based on Satan and the defeat of Truth and Love, which is what Jesus is all about brother.

    opposite of Truth and Love?

    Lies and Lust.

    just like Kanye says, we are at war.

    with terrorism. with racism. with ourselves. Wake Up!

    much of our outwardly projected hate stems from inner hate.
    self-hate, self-regret. self-pity.

    why do people lie? cuz they lie to themselves!!!

    the Truth shall set you Free.

    Love conquers All.

    remember.

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    exactly right my friend. any true believer in God and Jesus Christ will only raise arms against those seen as evil. And even then, only when necessary to protect the innocent.
    If you really believe in God and that God knows all and will reward/punish you based on your actions on Earth, why the need to raise arms? Why the need to protect the innocent?

    The innocent will ultimately be rewarded for their innocence and the evil will ultimately be punished. If this world is merely temporary, why the need to see justice done here, when justice will eventually be done by the Almighty?
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    Not really, not if he punishes him for not believing. Also, how can you choose to believe in something or not? I mean, either you believe in a thing or you don't, I don't think you can really choose one way or the other. You would just be kidding yourself.


    if you choose to not believe? you punish yourself.

    it's called free will.

    Life is a test.

    will we have Faith in the Lord our Father and His Son Jesus Christ

    without 'scientific proof'?

    That's the whole point of FAITH, my friend.

    To BELIEVE what you cannot see.

    But i'll tell you a secret.

    When one flushes all the bull from their lives, and set themselves free by turning their lives over to God 100%?

    One's vision becomes much, much clearer.

    I see much good now...much God.

    But I also see much evil.

    it is a mixed blessing.

    I feel I am here to help shine a light for others to see.

    I must not point it directly in their faces or they will turn away.

    i must be subtle.

    i am learning. day by day. i still have much to learn.

    May Godbless us.

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    If you really believe in God and that God knows all and will reward/punish you based on your actions on Earth, why the need to raise arms? Why the need to protect the innocent?

    The innocent will ultimately be rewarded for their innocence and the evil will ultimately be punished. If this world is merely temporary, why the need to see justice done here, when justice will eventually be done by the Almighty?

    because I do not believe it is God's will for the innocent to suffer.

    it is a consequence of destroying evil.

    the innocent must be saved when possible so that they have more time to turn to Him.

    but you are correct in that the Final Judgement is in God's Hands and only His Hands.

    I do not know His plan. I could be wrong. I am learning, but I am still very ignorant. I have much of the Good Book left to read.

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    if you choose to not believe? you punish yourself.
    That's my point. How can you choose to believe or not believe in something?

    If I offered you a billion dollars to believe that you were a giraffe, you may tell me that you believe, but not matter how hard you tried, you wouldn't not be able to make yourself really believe that you were a giraffe.

    You don't choose to believe or not believe in the existence of something.
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    For the machines? You watch too many Schwartzeneger movies.

    many men are already machines.

    working only for money, power and sex. escaping with drugs and alcohol.

    it's reality, not a movie. wake up.

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    the innocent must be saved when possible so that they have more time to turn to Him.
    What if they don't have enough time to turn to him? Do the innocent suffer with all the non-believers?
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    That's my point. How can you choose to believe or not believe in something?

    If I offered you a billion dollars to believe that you were a giraffe, you may tell me that you believe, but not matter how hard you tried, you wouldn't not be able to make yourself really believe that you were a giraffe.

    You don't choose to believe or not believe in the existence of something.

    then tell me what you believe in?

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    then tell me what you believe in?
    I don't believe in Elvis, I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me.
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    What if they don't have enough time to turn to him? Do the innocent suffer with all the non-believers?


    that is a Good question.

    if by innocent you mean one that has never sinned, then I believe that God will not judge them harshly. the majority in this category are children. I cannot believe that God would turn innocent children away.

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    I don't believe in Elvis, I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me.

    then I shall pray for you. God loves you, man...His Son Jesus showed us the way. watch and learn. it's not too late.

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    that is a Good question.

    if by innocent you mean one that has never sinned, then I believe that God will not judge them harshly. the majority in this category are children. I cannot believe that God would turn innocent children away.
    So then believing in God is not necessary, but merely....encouraged.
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    So then believing in God is not necessary, but merely....encouraged.

    it is necessary for salvation.

    you have free will.

    nobody will force you.

    you always have a choice.

    what will you choose?

    the darkness or the light?


    tick tock, tick tock...

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    it is necessary for salvation.

    you have free will.

    nobody will force you.

    you always have a choice.

    what will you choose?

    the darkness or the light?


    tick tock, tick tock...
    But you just said that God would not turn away innocent children who did not believe in Him. So then belief is not necessary, only encouraged or recommended.
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    But you just said that God would not turn away innocent children who did not believe in Him. So then belief is not necessary, only encouraged or recommended.

    i've never claimed to be the all knowing, my friend.

    if you are an innocent child? you can take your chances.

    but you are not. you are a stubborn person that chooses the dark

    because you cannot see the light.

    hint hint...open your eyes, the light is right in front of you.

    Goodluck. I've already prayed for you. The rest is up to you.

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    But you just said that God would not turn away innocent children who did not believe in Him. So then belief is not necessary, only encouraged or recommended.
    also, i said no such thing. i NEVER said God would not turn away children who did not believe in Him. i said, i do not believe that He would turn away innocent children that do not Know of Him.

    there is a difference.
    one is ignorance of the truth, the other is denial of the truth.

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    you are a stubborn person that chooses the dark

    because you cannot see the light.

    hint hint...open your eyes, the light is right in front of you.
    "Yet mystery and manifestations
    arise from the same source.
    This source is called darkness.

    Darkness within darkness.
    The gateway to all understanding."

    ... or so I've heard.

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    "Yet mystery and manifestations
    arise from the same source.
    This source is called darkness.

    Darkness within darkness.
    The gateway to all understanding."

    ... or so I've heard.


    now watch this....

    Yet MISERY AND MAN'S INFESTATIONS
    arise from the same source.
    this source is called DARKNESS.

    any questions?

    i gotta go, wifey is on my arse. til next time. Godlbess.

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    also, i said no such thing. i NEVER said God would not turn away children who did not believe in Him. i said, i do not believe that He would turn away innocent children that do not Know of Him.

    there is a difference.
    one is ignorance of the truth, the other is denial of the truth.
    But those who do not know of Him obviously do not believe in him. How can you believe in something you do not know about?

    Also, how can God punish children who do not believe in Him? Obviously they cannot investigate these matters for themselves, most of them are dependent on their parents for any spiritual guidance.

    So what if a child asks his atheist parent about God and the parent says, "he doesn't exist." Can we then fault the child for not believing?

    I am only asking your opinion. What do you think?
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    But those who do not know of Him obviously do not believe in him. How can you believe in something you do not know about?

    Also, how can God punish children who do not believe in Him? Obviously they cannot investigate these matters for themselves, most of them are dependent on their parents for any spiritual guidance.

    So what if a child asks his atheist parent about God and the parent says, "he doesn't exist." Can we then fault the child for not believing?

    I am only asking your opinion. What do you think?
    the pure of heart see many things that we do not.

    i will read more and see if i can find an answer for you.

    when we are young, we look to our parents for guidance.

    many times they are lost themselves. this is a sad but true fact.

    there comes a time in our lives when we can no longer

    point the finger at our parents for the choices we make.

    i believe that an innocent child's soul will NOT be sent to .

    God is vengeful, but fair. He is a LOVING God. We are all his children.

    Innocent children are His uncorrupted angels. Why would He send them

    to ? It makes no sense.

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    There sure are a lot of "God" threads on this board.



    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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    When one flushes all the bull from their lives, and set themselves free by turning their lives over to God 100%?

    One's vision becomes much, much clearer.

    I see much good now...much God.

    But I also see much evil.

    it is a mixed blessing.

    I feel I am here to help shine a light for others to see.

    I must not point it directly in their faces or they will turn away.

    i must be subtle.

    i am learning. day by day. i still have much to learn.

    May Godbless us.
    I think christianity only adds bull and makes your vision murkier. Good effort trying to scare some people with the thought of eternal fire, but that is just another useful scare tactic. The bible is full of .

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    God is vengeful, but fair.
    Do you really think God is vengeful? Isn't that a somewhat negative trait to have? I mean, c'mon, if God really is vengeful and holds grudges because you don't believe in him or don't worship him, doesn't that make him somewhat of an ass? You know, it's like being all-powerful and creating the universe is not enough for this guy. He needs to be well-liked. He is the Willie Loman of deities (my 2nd Death of a Salesman reference in a week -- thank you English freshman year of high school).
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    God is like T.O.(this is a sports website.)

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    Do you really think God is vengeful? Isn't that a somewhat negative trait to have? I mean, c'mon, if God really is vengeful and holds grudges because you don't believe in him or don't worship him, doesn't that make him somewhat of an ass? You know, it's like being all-powerful and creating the universe is not enough for this guy. He needs to be well-liked. He is the Willie Loman of deities (my 2nd Death of a Salesman reference in a week -- thank you English freshman year of high school).
    Thank you Mr. Knowitall!!

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