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[TD 21]

At the so called Duncan fan, who either criticizes or downplays him at every turn (and does the opposite with Ginobili), calling the Wallace boys the greatest defensive front line of all time, ahead of the twin towers.

There's an argument for Ginobili, but it's funny how the Duncan criticis, giddy at him looking mortal for the first time, never seem to bring up his playing on two sprained ankles.

Horry is biased and bitter both because he wanted to keep playing when they no longer wanted him and Duncan used to destroy him when he was a Laker.

[daslicer]

At the so called Duncan fan, who either criticizes or downplays him at every turn (and does the opposite with Ginobili), calling the Wallace boys the greatest defensive front line of all time, ahead of the twin towers.

There's an argument for Ginobili, but it's funny how the Duncan criticis, giddy at him looking mortal for the first time, never seem to bring up his playing on two sprained ankles.

Horry is biased and bitter both because he wanted to keep playing when they no longer wanted him and Duncan used to destroy him when he was a Laker.

He was never a Duncan fan to begin with. He's a troll who got exposed several years ago who was originally a Heat fan during the Shaq-Wade era on Realgm. He got banned from Realgm and discovered this forum and has been here ever since.

[SuperCam]

He was never a Duncan fan to begin with. He's a troll who got exposed several years ago who was originally a Heat fan during the Shaq-Wade era on Realgm. He got banned from Realgm and discovered this forum and has been here ever since.

Is this true?

[superbigtime]

I love Manu. Love him. But Tim was the MVP.

[cd98]

Probably should've been co-MVP. Manu didn't get enough NBA accolades for how good he was. That said, in that series, Tim was not only playing against the two best defensive bigs, but he also had bone spurs and could barely move. So the fact that he was as efficient as he was under those cir stances, is fairly incredible. But I think he won the MVP for the judges due to that third quarter stretch in game 7 when he really put the Spurs on his back.

The only regret about Tim getting it is that Tim has a room full of NBA accolades. Manu never got enough recognition.

[daslicer]

Is this true?

Yes around 2010 or 2011 someone posted old screenshots in here of his old posts on realgm. Ironically he had the same screen name on realgm.

[TheGreatYacht]

At the so called Duncan fan, who either criticizes or downplays him at every turn (and does the opposite with Ginobili), calling the Wallace boys the greatest defensive front line of all time, ahead of the twin towers.

There's an argument for Ginobili, but it's funny how the Duncan criticis, giddy at him looking mortal for the first time, never seem to bring up his playing on two sprained ankles.

Horry is biased and bitter both because he wanted to keep playing when they no longer wanted him and Duncan used to destroy him when he was a Laker.

schtick tbh

[spursistan]

At the so called Duncan fan, who either criticizes or downplays him at every turn (and does the opposite with Ginobili), calling the Wallace boys the greatest defensive front line of all time, ahead of the twin towers.

There's an argument for Ginobili, but it's funny how the Duncan criticis, giddy at him looking mortal for the first time, never seem to bring up his playing on two sprained ankles.

Horry is biased and bitter both because he wanted to keep playing when they no longer wanted him and Duncan used to destroy him when he was a Laker.

Obviously he is trying to be contrarian as per usual but that should not be let slide ..

[TD 21]

Obviously he is trying to be contrarian as per usual but that should not be let slide ..

Yeah, but the funny thing is, in this case being contrarian would be to criticize and downplay Ginobili at every turn.

[coachmac87]

At the so called Duncan fan, who either criticizes or downplays him at every turn (and does the opposite with Ginobili), calling the Wallace boys the greatest defensive front line of all time, ahead of the twin towers.

There's an argument for Ginobili, but it's funny how the Duncan criticis, giddy at him looking mortal for the first time, never seem to bring up his playing on two sprained ankles.

Horry is biased and bitter both because he wanted to keep playing when they no longer wanted him and Duncan used to destroy him when he was a Laker.

Your name is TD 21....

[tholdren]

Was the real mvp the year kl won. The end

[tmtcsc]

I wouldn't have had an issue with Manu winning MVP. It was close. Tim made everyone else around him better and I think we are seeing that now more than ever. That Finals was terrific for Manu and I actually thought he was going to get the Finals MVP.

[HarlemHeat37]

Obviously he is trying to be contrarian as per usual but that should not be let slide ..

Or I'm one of the few unbiased posters on this forum

Duncan is my favorite player of all-time, but I'm not a Kobe stan, I can admit my favorite player's flaws, that ain't paying my mortgage..

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I recently watched the entire NBA final series of 2005 and I still believe Manu should have won over Duncan or at least they should have shared it if it's possible. Over the entire series, it was Manu who mostly carried the team. People tend to look only at the last game.

People forget but Detroit was a really really good team and very well coached. Detroit used to keep teams scoring in the 80s or low 90s every game. It was very tough to score against those guys. Their starting 5 was really really good. Hamilton was a true #2 who could hit you for 30 pts every game - he had all the shooting skills. Billups was a great PG with a great 3 range - he wasn't asked to score but I remember he would score a 3 here and there to destroy any momentum. Prince was 3 with a huge wingspan, very long and athletic - prone to block layups, etc. And finally the Wallace boys were the best rim protectors in the league aside from Duncan himself.

The previous year they had dismantled the favorite lakers who were super stacked - I remember Detroit going into that NBA final were more than underdogs. I remember no one gave a shot at Detroit to get the lakers. We are talking about Prime Kobe with pretty-much prime Shaq with Malone, Payton, Prime Fisher, etc coached by one of the best coaches to have ever coached in the NBA

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It was certainly debatable...apparently even 13 years later. It was awesome to see the Spurs in that series. Even hobbled, Tim showed why he's the GOAT, along with prime Manu, prime Parker, prime Bowen that season. It was fun to be a fan...and the seven game Finals was pretty awesome as well.

Tim would have won in '13 also, which would have been special...we'd of never had the beautiful game, though, had that happened.

[SAGirl]

Over 13 years ago...
I imagine as the Spurs keep being irrelevant with Kiwi sitting out bc of injuries, this kind of discussion will be common.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I recently watched the entire NBA final series of 2005 and I still believe Manu should have won over Duncan or at least they should have shared it if it's possible. Over the entire series, it was Manu who mostly carried the team. People tend to look only at the last game.

People forget but Detroit was a really really good team and very well coached. Detroit used to keep teams scoring in the 80s or low 90s every game. It was very tough to score against those guys. Their starting 5 was really really good. Hamilton was a true #2 who could hit you for 30 pts every game - he had all the shooting skills. Billups was a great PG with a great 3 range - he wasn't asked to score but I remember he would score a 3 here and there to destroy any momentum. Prince was 3 with a huge wingspan, very long and athletic - prone to block layups, etc. And finally the Wallace boys were the best rim protectors in the league aside from Duncan himself.

The previous year they had dismantled the favorite lakers who were super stacked - I remember Detroit going into that NBA final were more than underdogs. I remember no one gave a shot at Detroit to get the lakers. We are talking about Prime Kobe with pretty-much prime Shaq with Malone, Payton, Prime Fisher, etc coached by one of the best coaches to have ever coached in the NBA

In '05 I personally thought it was Manu's award. I was actually a little surprised when Timmy got it.

[james evans]

manure was closer to winning mvp for dallas in '06 and miami in '13 tbqh

[diego]

For me, it should have been tim every time. Because FMVP is stupid when the conference finals or even semifinals is often the most difficult series (wasnt around for 99, but that was the case for 2003 (lakers and mavs > nets), 2007 (nugs, suns, jazz > cavs), and arguably 2014 as well (okc vs heat). And over the course of all of those playoffs, tim was the backbone and most irreplaceable on the team.

[barbacoataco]

Fairly close but I still would say Duncan. Manu was great that year.

[barbacoataco]

Agree that was s good Pistons team. They took down Lakers in 2004. Of course Spurs should have won against Lakers in 2004.

[diego]

i suppose you could debate pistons suns in 05 too, but IMO defense wins championships and suns like the rockets now were always paper tigers.

manu was awesome that year though, people forget he started most of those playoffs, had one of the best ever playoff runs, then got sent to the bench to accomodate finley. cant help but wonder what would have happened if the spurs had signed a better big to help timmy and kept manu in the starting lineup instead. I wish I could find how out how many times Manu would snatch the ball up and hit a dunk or layup right off the tip, it was probably over 30% of his starts.

[TMTTRIO]

Tim Duncan deserved it but Manu had an amazing whole playoffs that year. Put it this way, Tim couldn't be replaced whereas it would be really hard but Manu could've been replaced if the other guys stepped up.

[TD 21]

Or I'm one of the few unbiased posters on this forum

Duncan is my favorite player of all-time, but I'm not a Kobe stan, I can admit my favorite player's flaws, that ain't paying my mortgage..

You're as biased as they come, from James, to Curry, to Ginobili, etc. and as much as you'll attempt to pass off Green, Westbrook and Warriors, as all trolling, you're clearly a fan at the same time. With the exception of Ginobili, the one thing they all have in common is, they're all lightning rods.

You supposedly being a Spurs and Duncan fan was likely for essentially the same reason: it wasn't fashionable until late in the Duncan era. By that point, you'd established a regular banter with a myriad of posters on here and other boards, so you keep up the pretense.

[daslicer]

You're as biased as they come, from James, to Curry, to Ginobili, etc. and as much as you'll attempt to pass off Green, Westbrook and Warriors, as all trolling, you're clearly a fan at the same time. With the exception of Ginobili, the one thing they all have in common is, they're all lightning rods.

You supposedly being a Spurs and Duncan fan was likely for essentially the same reason: it wasn't fashionable until late in the Duncan era. By that point, you'd established a regular banter with a myriad of posters on here and other boards, so you keep up the pretense.

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