OT: Report: Chris Paul will not take a pay cut to re-sign with Rockets

[Killakobe81]

Ironic that it was the guy with the most 'ships (Duncan 5) who took the biggest cut to try for one more.
Meanwhile CP0 does not have one and imo never will.

I totally get wanting to get paid. Just that if i'm an owner, even the Rockets owner I don't see CP0 as the guy who gets them over the hump. Game 6 was clearly won by WarriorRef, not lack of CP0. No one was going to beat WarriorRef that day. Now game 7, ouch yeah perhaps they could have used CP3. Or could they? Ariza at 0-11.

Agree with you that if Houston is going to pay, only give him a one year deal. Seems best for both parties.

Tim is the exception, not the rule ...

[LkrFan]

Not worth it, imho.

Nope, TOTALLY worth it.

[Killakobe81]

Bum is right, when you factor the millions around the world that play hoops. He is a bit overrrated, but since many especially rox fans are buying the narrative they make Finals and or win le if he is healthy, Cp3 has the leverage.
Also its not just about his wealth, as Prez of NBAPAelp Rox is if he lets owners off the hook by taking less to win it wont be a good look for someone in his position. Despite his injuries at the worst times ...he is a high level player worthy of a max deal. For him to turn down what he fought for wont make any sense. How he can help is by doing the one year max deal rather than the long-term one ...speaking of Bron ...

I have been through this plenty of times and dummies on here were arguing Lebron doesnt need the max. Of course he doesn't NEED it ...he already has generational wealth.
But he wont take less nor should he. HE and Paul are not just looking for paydays or les they are establishing Player value and setting up the future of the league on the player's side.
And there is no amount the Cavs,Lakers or Rox can pay JAmes what he is worth in the current CBA. Why should he take less when the lague is making so much off him?!
this is why Lebron keeps doing the one year player option deals ... he is maxing his value trusting his health so he can always make as much as possible in current rules.

Farmers on here have been seduced by duncan and to a lessor degree Dirk ...when that was never the smart move, financially. Applaud them for sacrificing as fans of those teams, but shake your head about the dumb move as business men. Besides Lebron has won with only sacrifcing salary once in Miami. and has 3x as many rings as Dirk and only trails Tim by 2 with more finals appearances. you can take the max and stillc ompete for les, Bron has proven it. So he takes a few more finals losses?
Doesnt matter the CN's Shannon sharpe and nick wright's of the world and others still say he is the GOAT and LeBron is laughing all the way to the bank.
Winning matters of course, And as a fan I want players to put it first above max dollars ... but none of you selfish bas s gonna turn down the type of money these dudes are just so owners can not pay lux tax.
Lebron may have screwed his le chances in cle by making sure Tristan, JR and Love got big extensions but Lebron has done more for putting bread in NBA players pockets than any other player over the past 20 years ...maybe only NAsh/d'antoni only guys close by inflating numbers with SSOL offense leading to big deals for amare, Marion, joe johson, diaw etc.

Lebron has stated repeatedly he trying to make B's not M's why would he take less?
CP3 wont either.

Everything I said ...

[Chris Fall]

I read somewhere Dirk has sacrificed in his career with the discounts he’s given Cuban and the Mavs over the years something in the neighborhood of $194 million, more than his total career earnings.

Edit: correction, not more than his career earning after double checking. Just a load of money left on the table.

And if if you can acquiesce that Chris Paul is arguably a top 75 basketball player in the world, at the very least that’s arguable, then with a world population of almost 7.5 billion, then yes Chris Paul is a one in a 100 million talent.

[Killakobe81]

I read somewhere Dirk has sacrificed in his career with the discounts he’s given Cuban and the Mavs over the years something in the neighborhood of $194 million, more than his total career earnings.

Edit: correction, not more than his career earning after double checking. Just a load of money left on the table.

And if if you can acquiesce that Chris Paul is arguably a top 75 basketball player in the world, at the very least that’s arguable, then with a world population of almost 7.5 billion, then yes Chris Paul is a one in a 100 million talent.

I thought i heard he sacrificed more than Duncan did ...
And has less rings to show for it ...
And his owner is one of the 10 richest ...

[Caltex2]

LOL the idea of playing for peanuts if you had a one in a hundred million talent. I'd be asking max too if I was him. And Houston will pay it.

Does he want to win a le or what? He, at the most, has three years left of being a top level player and that's being liberal. Next year is probably his last year as a top level NBA player and if he wants to win a le, he should come right back and give it another shot for cheap. Do that and the Rockets wouldn't look totally idiotic for matching Capela's max contract sheet.

He's already been paid and will get paid again even after a pay cut. Not that I don't think it's smart to get paid market value but he also could make a sacrifice to win.

[Fabbs]

Can you imagine these modern NBA sissys talking to Bill Russell era players about making a
"sacrifice"
and playing for only 15 million dollars a year not counting endorsements?

[Killakobe81]

Does he want to win a le or what? He, at the most, has three years left of being a top level player and that's being liberal. Next year is probably his last year as a top level NBA player and if he wants to win a le, he should come right back and give it another shot for cheap. Do that and the Rockets wouldn't look totally idiotic for matching Capela's max contract sheet.

He's already been paid and will get paid again even after a pay cut. Not that I don't think it's smart to get paid market value but he also could make a sacrifice to win.

you go to your employer and take less next year so your boss can hire someone that makes your team, dept and or company stronger...

i wanted kobe to take less said so on here, LG twitter etc. he still took neatlr a max extension it sucked for me as a Laker fan but i understand as a smart business man.

[8FOR!3]

Which team would offer Chris Paul a max contract? I would think about 3 or maybe 4 at $23-25M/yr is market for a 33 year old pg.

Any crappy team with max money.

[Fabbs]

you go to your employer and take less next year so your boss can hire someone that makes your team, dept and or company stronger...

i wanted kobe to take less said so on here, LG twitter etc. he still took neatlr a max extension it sucked for me as a Laker fan but i understand as a smart business man.

Smart business man often = very sad human being. There's been so many good movies on this, going all the way back to Eb Scrooge.
But I am with you killa on the idea of why in the should the owners get to keep it.

Just sucks for Duncan he had Crater Face pissing away a chance after he did majorly sacrifice in '15.

[baseline bum]

Does he want to win a le or what? He, at the most, has three years left of being a top level player and that's being liberal. Next year is probably his last year as a top level NBA player and if he wants to win a le, he should come right back and give it another shot for cheap. Do that and the Rockets wouldn't look totally idiotic for matching Capela's max contract sheet.

He's already been paid and will get paid again even after a pay cut. Not that I don't think it's smart to get paid market value but he also could make a sacrifice to win.

Paul can win a le in Houston if they bring the same team back, which they can. No one has to take a paycut. They'll be in luxury tax like Cleveland, but that's the price of having to try to beat the Warriors. This summer we'll see if the Rockets' billionaire owner wants to win a le.

[Killakobe81]

Paul can win a le in Houston if they bring the same team back, which they can. No one has to take a paycut. They'll be in luxury tax like Cleveland, but that's the price of having to try to beat the Warriors. This summer we'll see if the Rockets' billionaire owner wants to win a le.

this ...im betting against a State threepeat ...

[Caltex2]

you go to your employer and take less next year so your boss can hire someone that makes your team, dept and or company stronger...

i wanted kobe to take less said so on here, LG twitter etc. he still took neatlr a max extension it sucked for me as a Laker fan but i understand as a smart business man.

Yeah, working in the NBA is not like working for Liberty Mutual or Wells Fargo. You make enough money that you can retire within two seasons if you are financially astute.

Unless CP goes completely over the hill over night, he would still stand to get paid handsomely in the future. It's not unheard of to take a pay cut to join or keep a team a le contender.

[Caltex2]

Paul can win a le in Houston if they bring the same team back, which they can. No one has to take a paycut. They'll be in luxury tax like Cleveland, but that's the price of having to try to beat the Warriors. This summer we'll see if the Rockets' billionaire owner wants to win a le.

The Rockets need a 3-point shooter. If they don't add a legit marksman, it'll be the same. Remember, they may not have HCA next year against the Dubs.

[Killakobe81]

Yeah, working in the NBA is not like working for Liberty Mutual or Wells Fargo. You make enough money that you can retire within two seasons if you are financially astute.

Unless CP goes completely over the hill over night, he would still stand to get paid handsomely in the future. It's not unheard of to take a pay cut to join or keep a team a le contender.

Sure how did that work out for Dirk?
Worked for Timmy but more times than not, it don't.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, working in the NBA is not like working for Liberty Mutual or Wells Fargo. You make enough money that you can retire within two seasons if you are financially astute.

Unless CP goes completely over the hill over night, he would still stand to get paid handsomely in the future. It's not unheard of to take a pay cut to join or keep a team a le contender.

How much of a paycut are you expecting? If he takes an enormous paycut from his market value down to a $15 million base year salary it still wouldn't open up any capspace.

[Chris Fall]

CP3 playing for less doesn’t actually help the Rockets anyway. They lose Ariza. They have to pay Capela. Even if CP3 plays for... say $10 million, they’re basically maxed out anyway if they pay Capela too. So him taking less doesn’t help them go after LeBron or even Paul George. So if it doesn’t help them bring in major talent, what’s the use in him playing for less. Unless you’re talking about him playing for $1 million next season and them renouncing Capela, maybe then they could go after LeBron, but it still might not be enough cap space. Paul playing for less doesn’t get Houston closer to a le next year, so that argument is pointless.

The Ryan Anderson contract is the bigger problem for Houston’s payroll. Good luck dumping that contract without taking any bad contracts in return. Houston doesn’t even have a first round pick this year to help entice a team to take on Anderson.

[baseline bum]

CP3 playing for less doesn’t actually help the Rockets anyway. They lose Ariza. They have to pay Capela. Even if CP3 plays for... say $10 million, they’re basically maxed out anyway if they pay Capela too. So him taking less doesn’t help them go after LeBron or even Paul George. So if it doesn’t help them bring in major talent, what’s the use in him playing for less. Unless you’re talking about him playing for $1 million next season and them renouncing Capela, maybe then they could go after LeBron, but it still might not be enough cap space. Paul playing for less doesn’t get Houston closer to a le next year, so that argument is pointless.

The Ryan Anderson contract is the bigger problem for Houston’s payroll. Good luck dumping that contract without taking any bad contracts in return. Houston doesn’t even have a first round pick this year to help entice a team to take on Anderson.

Even if CP3 agrees to terms for $10 million it only opens up $5 million or so in capspace after renouncing Ariza. I think I'd much rather re-sign Ariza than try to replace him for $5 million. There is no reason to renounce Capella though, I think he only counts 200% of his 2017-18 salary against their cap number, so a little less than $5 million against their cap number.

[baseline bum]

If Paul took the veteran's minimum of $2.6 million and they brought Ariza back for a very reasonable $8 million or so they'd end up with about $5 million in capspace, which is less than the taxpayer MLE they'd have without anyone taking a paycut. There is literally no reason for Paul to take a paycut other than putting money in the owner's pocket. There is no way he is doing it and there is no reason for him to do so.

[Caltex2]

If they cut Anderson and spread his contract out over 5 years, they'd pay 40 million over 5 years instead of 2.

[Killakobe81]

CP3 playing for less doesn’t actually help the Rockets anyway. They lose Ariza. They have to pay Capela. Even if CP3 plays for... say $10 million, they’re basically maxed out anyway if they pay Capela too. So him taking less doesn’t help them go after LeBron or even Paul George. So if it doesn’t help them bring in major talent, what’s the use in him playing for less. Unless you’re talking about him playing for $1 million next season and them renouncing Capela, maybe then they could go after LeBron, but it still might not be enough cap space. Paul playing for less doesn’t get Houston closer to a le next year, so that argument is pointless.

The Ryan Anderson contract is the bigger problem for Houston’s payroll. Good luck dumping that contract without taking any bad contracts in return. Houston doesn’t even have a first round pick this year to help entice a team to take on Anderson.

This was my understanding but yet I keep hearing Bron to Rox.
I question the fit, but Sixers seem the most logical. He can probably even give a blessing to the new GM through hus flunkies ...They can pay bron/Embiid max while Simmons, Saric and Fultz (LOlz) still on rookie deals.
Botson is iffy because of Kyrie and I dont think Bron would go to a rival like that ...plus Kyrie is still there.

But of course I would welcome him to Lakers with open arms but we are to young for bron unless he can find a third wheel to join him and another max guy.

[Caltex2]

The other reason to give him a pay cut is because that's gonna be an ignorant contract to pay by the end.

Either he takes a pay cut or you say thanks for the year and send him on his way.

[Killakobe81]

The other reason to give him a pay cut is because that's gonna be an ignorant contract to pay by the end.

Either he takes a pay cut or you say thanks for the year and send him on his way.

Doesnt seem like the best way to get Bron, tbh

[Caltex2]

The Rockets realistically can't get LeBron anyways, so it's a wash. It'd take too many unlikely events to make it happen.

[baseline bum]

The other reason to give him a pay cut is because that's gonna be an ignorant contract to pay by the end.

Either he takes a pay cut or you say thanks for the year and send him on his way.

What kind of pay cut are you talking? The idea of stretching Anderson opens up some possibilities but you're crazy if you think you guys can afford to lose CP3. He got you one game from a le and had he not gotten hurt you guys would have probably had about a 70% chance of ringing conditioning on being up 3-2 with Game 7 at home. You really want to go back to early round flameouts when Harden disappears again after winning 65 and nearly a le this year? Obviously there is no guarantee you guys get back, but you gotta feel confident with the team you have after seeing that WCF. When you got a le team man, you gotta go for broke while the window is open. If it costs you a free agent signing in 3-4 years that's the price you gotta pay to win now.