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    I just don't comprehend why Kawhi has treated the organization so poorly. No relationship is perfect. Even if disagreements occur you work them out.
    Because they questioned his loyalty when they had no right to. Kawhi had proved himself for seasons before this past one. He has an injury and they start questioning him in the media because he doesn't rush back? that . Kawhi goes out there and makes his injury worse, then what? Is PATFO going to support him and his family the rest of his life if he can't play anymore?

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    While he has great reach and his hand reaction is quick opposing teams will see him as soft and will pull up with any minor injury. From here on out, even if he somehow stays with the Spurs he can expect real physical play going forward. I am not sure we will ever see the same Kawhi again. He will be bullied in every game.

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    Kawhi saved this franchise. Gtfo. Losing to 8 seeds before he got here. Ungrateful Spurm fans, no wonder Kawhi wants out from this hole.

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    While he has great reach and his hand reaction is quick opposing teams will see him as soft and will pull up with any minor injury. From here on out, even if he somehow stays with the Spurs he can expect real physical play going forward. I am not sure we will ever see the same Kawhi again. He will be bullied in every game.
    Bull. I don't see anyone bullying curry and his weak ass ankles. The league is soft as these days.

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    Leonard has averaged 58 games a season. He never has played a complete season without injury. He is injury prone. If he plays the same way he did when he excelled he is highly likely to see another quad injury. There is strong evidence that sending Kawhi away, you might be sending away a player that just won't be on the floor as much as whoever his team would need or like.

    Curry, is also known to play hurt. Kawhi, not so much. Also, it is much more evident when you physically go after a PG who is small and the small player always gets the benefit of the doubt. Kawhi will never enjoy the same type of calls.

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    I have been giving Kawhi the benefit of the doubt, and am starting to feel pretty foolish for having done so.

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    I have been giving Kawhi the benefit of the doubt, and am starting to feel pretty foolish for having done so.
    Just starting?

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    If the clippers can turn their lottery picks into the #7 pick. You take it and Harris.

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    If the clippers can turn their lottery picks into the #7 pick. You take it and Harris.
    But then if Harris walks next summer for nothing, it’s a major fleece.

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    But then if Harris walks next summer for nothing, it’s a major fleece.
    Or we can trade him to Mem for the #4 since no one wants even to be drafted by them

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    Kawhi saved this franchise. Gtfo. Losing to 8 seeds before he got here. Ungrateful Spurm fans, no wonder Kawhi wants out from this hole.
    Saved the franchise? Seriously dude. No Pop, no Timmy, and no Manu, Kawhi wouldn't have done jack with this franchise. And what are we to be grateful for? What did Kawhi so gracefully provide us that was above and beyond what other players do? Beyond the millions of dollars he was given? beyond being given the keys to the best organization over the last 20 years? beyond being given the green light to shoot as much as he wants? to run the offense?

    He was groomed and given the opportunity to be "the man". Don't be pissy to everyone in this forum because your hero sold out and is running around the country trying to avoid facing the issues.

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    Exactly. Rodman straight up lies to journalists about what happened in SA and nobody cares enough to correct the record, let alone call him out for it. It's disgusting.

    The second Kawhi is traded, that's when the media will decide that he's the best player in the league.

    They are all trade scenarios now, get this deal, get that deal, salvage the situation. But when the deal is done, it'll be non-stop "the Spurs got fleeced / steal of the century"

    I was pretty young when Rodman was in SA. Cliffs on what happened??

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    No one outside San Antonio will care. Rodman sabotaged a WCF but is now held up as a prime example of a winning player because he got les in the right market.
    He didn't sabotage the WCF. He ing threw it.

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    Like objective said; neither Pop nor the Spurs organization deserved to be treated with such contempt and betrayal. This is tells you what kind of crass creatures we are dealing with..

    There is a minimum of decorum and professionalism to be upheld even when you make unpopular business choices..

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    I was pretty young when Rodman was in SA. Cliffs on what happened??
    He left Robert Horry wide open for the game winning shot of Game 1 of the 1995 WCF because he was a huge statpadder and wanted another rebound on his line. He probably caught for it from the coaching staff. Next game he started jacking up threes in the first quarter of a game that was a must win since Games 3 & 4 would be in Houston. Obviously you have to bench Rodman if he's just going to start jacking up long threes. The Spurs went and took Games 3 & 4 in Houston to even the series and seemingly take control back. But Rodman decided to show up really late to practice before the critical Game 5, knowing he was forcing Bob Hill's hand into benching him. He had been a in the Denver and LA series too but the WCF is where he really ed the team over.

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    Rodman purposefully got himself benched in a must win Game 2 of the WCF by jacking up a bunch of bad threes in the first quarter and then tried to force Bob Hill to bench him in Game 5 by showing up really late to practice after the Spurs had just won two in Houston to even up the series. No Spurs fan should ever forget how much of a chicken Rodman was.
    He was reportedly in financial trouble with alledged gambling debts and incensed with the Spurs because GM "Bill" Bass wouldn't give him a contract extension.

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    He was reportedly in financial trouble with alledged gambling debts and incensed with the Spurs because GM "Bill" Bass wouldn't give him a contract extension.
    I never heard that. Any chance of finding a source on that? Though I imagine it would be hard to find one 23 years after the fact.

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    He was reportedly in financial trouble with alledged gambling debts and incensed with the Spurs because GM "Bill" Bass wouldn't give him a contract extension.
    Bass wasn't the GM at the time, Pop was. I believe the gambling debts thing, though.

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    Because they questioned his loyalty when they had no right to. Kawhi had proved himself for seasons before this past one. He has an injury and they start questioning him in the media because he doesn't rush back? that . Kawhi goes out there and makes his injury worse, then what? Is PATFO going to support him and his family the rest of his life if he can't play anymore?
    Turns out he's not loyal at all.

    Go figure.

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    Looks like Rob Diaz has joined the asswiping crew on permanent basis. These past few days have been such a cringe-worthy sight out of him..

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    Rodman purposefully got himself benched in a must win Game 2 of the WCF by jacking up a bunch of bad threes in the first quarter and then tried to force Bob Hill to bench him in Game 5 by showing up really late to practice after the Spurs had just won two in Houston to even up the series. No Spurs fan should ever forget how much of a chicken Rodman was.
    What was his problem? Why cause issues after 2 rounds already played?

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    What was his problem? Why cause issues after 2 rounds already played?
    He caused issues that entire playoffs. He was just on his worse behavior in the WCF.

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    What was his problem?
    Has anyone ever figured this out about Rodman? It's still the question today, isn't it?

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    He caused issues that entire playoffs. He was just on his worse behavior in the WCF.
    Seems like he had a pretty active game 6.
    I remember the threes in game 2 seeing it on an old NBATV replay. Disgusting.

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    I never heard that. Any chance of finding a source on that? Though I imagine it would be hard to find one 23 years after the fact.
    This doesn't mention gambling issues (although there are other articles that mentions Rodman's gambling habits), but kind of gives you an idea of the relationship between him and the Spurs:


    Just how urgently the San Antonio Spurs wanted to get rid of Dennis Rodman was illustrated by how they did it, trading the NBA's best rebounder to the Chicago Bulls last week for Will Perdue, a backup center.


    "It was addition by subtraction just to have him out of town," said Spurs general manager Gregg Popovich, adding that only "four or five" teams expressed interest in Rodman. "We wouldn't have had a chance to win a championship, in my opinion, with him in the mix, for a myriad of reasons."And if you can get somebody back who can make a valuable contribution to your team, so much the better."


    But this deal obviously was not about what Perdue could do for the Spurs as much as what Rodman had done: skip practices, miss buses, knock teammates, feud with coach Bob Hill, take his sneakers off before the end of the game, etc., etc., etc. Rodman's most recent eruption was over his $2.5 million salary, although nothing immediate could be done about it under the limitations set by the new collective-bargaining agreement. At least, not what Rodman had in mind, like about a $3.5 million raise.


    "He said he wasn't coming to camp unless we gave him more money," Popovich said, "and after a while you've got to believe the guy."


    When Popovich left the Golden State Warriors' coaching staff to become the Spurs' GM before last season, he agreed Rodman deserved a big raise. But talks were frozen after Rodman missed the opening of camp, and subsequent fines, suspensions and a leave of absence precluded any possibility of a new deal that by now might have had him where he wants to be financially.


    "I would have to have been a blithering idiot to give him more money or even talk to him about it," Popovich said.


    Remarkably, for the trade's lopsided difference in talent, it was met with big local approval.


    "I did an hour-and-a-half radio show and took 20 to 25 calls," Popovich said, "and two were negative."


    As for the players, "Let me just say that I don't make these kinds of deals in a vacuum. My players are involved in everything I do."

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/...BTRACTION.html

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